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#312197 - 06/27/10 07:30 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: CV]
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Originally Posted By: CV

Now it's, "Good luck auctioning your outdated, under-performing gear!" Ha ha.

I was thinking that very thing when I read the review I commented on earlier. Seems sort of silly to offer an audition of the “v2” or “ti” in light of the comments made. Perhaps future reviews will indicate less stark differences otherwise I don’t see the point in offering any more auditions as it wouldn’t do justice to the “v3s.” Not that I’ve done an audition in awhile anyway unless Sean counts. wink
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#312199 - 06/27/10 08:09 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: CV]
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SRoode, why not go the pre-pro route? then you can just change out the processor.


Edited by dakkon (06/27/10 08:09 PM)

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#312207 - 06/27/10 08:49 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: grunt]
Ken.C Online   content
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I agree that Axiom could have communicated better but I hesitate to draw the customer council into rollout discussion. I’m not 100% clear on their mandate but hope that it is strictly to act as a sounding board for Axiom and not a conduit of information from Axiom to the forum. IMO that marginalizes them as “members” by turning them into “spokesmen.“


You have the right of it. We're not Axiom representatives, and they use us as sounding boards. In the interest of full disclosure, I raised concerns about the drivers in the VP180 vs. the existing drivers. Of course, my fears were in the opposite direction. I wanted to be sure they weren't building the pre-order VP180s as v2s...

As for the auction stuff, I can see why Axiom's doing it, and they did discuss it with us. Someone's got to sell the old stuff, and there's been a lot of interest in a forum for buying and selling here.

Some people seem to be taking what I and other members of the council are saying as official Axiom policy or communication. What I say is of course filtered through my knowledge and relationship with Axiom, but it is also based on what may be a flawed memory of our conversations, passed through my own filters and biases.


Edited by kcarlile (06/27/10 08:51 PM)
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#312209 - 06/27/10 09:12 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: Ken.C]
grunt Offline
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Originally Posted By: kcarlile

You have the right of it. We're not Axiom representatives, and they use us as sounding boards. In the interest of full disclosure, I raised concerns about the drivers in the VP180 vs. the existing drivers. Of course, my fears were in the opposite direction. I wanted to be sure they weren't building the pre-order VP180s as v2s...


Thanks for clarifying the role of the customer council. I do think it somewhat natural that some people, especially those with lots of experience in other forums, might get confused as to what the customer council members are responsible for. Some forums use members as moderators and information conduits in their forums. Adding to the confusion there have been a couple comments from council members “hinting” at things to come which blurs the line between sounding-board and spokesman. IMO what is said in the council should stay in the council no exceptions.

I agree that your fears were warranted about the VP180 being released as a “v2.” I imagine most would prefer the most up-to-date speaker, however for those who preferred and ascetic match some discussion could have been avoided if the rollout had included some sort of comments about whether driver/grill matching would be accommodated. OTOH in the bigger scheme it’s probably a small issue.

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As for the auction stuff, I can see why Axiom's doing it, and they did discuss it with us. Someone's got to sell the old stuff, and there's been a lot of interest in a forum for buying and selling here.


Clearly the “trade-up” programs was no longer going to be viable and the auction does offer an alternative specific to Axiom as opposed to the larger online sales sites.

Who knows I might be able to pick up some more M80s on the cheap for wide, surround and back. Look out Onn I might be catching up with you. wink



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#312211 - 06/27/10 09:28 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: grunt]
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Originally Posted By: grunt
Who knows I might be able to pick up some more M80s on the cheap for wide, surround and back. Look out Onn I might be catching up with you. wink


I thought you passed me a long time ago!
Your system is impressive.
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#312215 - 06/27/10 09:31 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: Andrew]
grunt Offline
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Originally Posted By: Andrew
Take this for what it is, a biased opinion, but I'm confident the VP180 will work equally well with v2 OR v3 series products. Extensive listening was performed against both the M80v2 and M80v3 while the VP180 was being developed and I feel it's an excellent match with either.

Andrew


Thanks for your feedback Andrew I missed your post before and just happened to catch now.

When I bought my M80 center back living in my apartment I did so specifically because I was afraid that incremental upgrades might over time produce a speaker that didn’t quite match the first M80s I bought. I had expected to leave it boxed up until I moved to this house but as luck would have it I was actually able to use it in the apartment.
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#312220 - 06/27/10 10:05 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: onn]
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Registered: 06/18/10
Posts: 463
Loc: Japan
Didn't realize the EP800 was so huge till I saw onn's system pictures. By the way it really rocks!!!

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#312228 - 06/27/10 10:36 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: grunt]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
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Loc: Canada
Dean. If You bought a McLaren road car that you thought was supercool and they released a newer better more supercool model would your old McLaren now be a piece of junk, or would it just be slightly less supercool?

The only thing I read into Ian's announcement is that the new M80s are noticeably better than the V2, nothing more, nothing less.
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#312229 - 06/27/10 10:48 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: fredk]
grunt Offline
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Originally Posted By: review

The first thing that I noticed was that the sound stage increased, dramatically.

It's like the curtains were pulled back away from the stage.

The sound seems much more uniform over all frequencies.

My impression is that you've particularly smoothed out the transition between the mid range and highs.

Rather than going 'ouch' on a loud passage, you get chills.


We will have to disagree on this Fred. The above comments are not IMO a ringing endorsement of the product being compared to.
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#312232 - 06/27/10 10:56 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: grunt]
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Registered: 02/23/04
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Loc: Illinois.
I'm kind of surprised at all the squaking over the new "V3" upgrades. I see the points made, but most commenting, have V2, speakers, and new crossovers already, and I doubt there would be "huge" improvements. I have M60ti's from 2004, and I suspect I would find at least, subtle improvements to my older M60s with the V3 upgrades. I do find it odd to use that e-mail to "review" the new V3. It's ironic to me, because review styles like that one , with the "blown aways" etc. are usually scorned here.
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