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#316653 - 07/25/10 07:59 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: FireGuy]
CatBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 5932
Loc: Milky Way Galaxy
Well, at least the Paradigm site gave me a new signature line...

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#316654 - 07/25/10 08:04 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: Adrian]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 3569
Loc: Nirvana
Originally Posted By: Adrian
I truly believe we're talking about *incremental* changes, so imo people should keep their perspective in this regard. I was thinking along the lines of what Dean has brought up a couple of posts ago. If you were to compare Ti's to the V3's I'm sure that most people could say "there is a noticeable difference" if they AB'd them, where someone who compares speakers through just 1 step or change like a V2 to V3, may notice a more subtle if any difference(to the less accurate ear).

This is no different than the incremental changes that Paradigm makes to their lineup every couple of years. The Studio line is on "V6" afaik...someone comparing the V5 to V6 may hardly notice any audible difference, change that to a V1 or V2 to a comparo with the V5 or V6 and I'm sure you'd get most people agreeing on the differences.

Most of this "flap" is reg the over-the-top anonymous review....we don't have any idea what the persons benchmark was.


Excellent perspective Adrian. It was this very incremental improvement process that lead me to buy my M80 center a couple years ago, long before I needed it. I didn’t want to get caught by the improvement process causing enough of a change in the M80s that I would notice the difference with my older ones. Just got lucky that I could actually use it back then. And no w/o looking at the serial numbers I could tell which is which.

Now had I bought my speakers from many other manufactures they likely would have announced a new model and had a clearance on any of the old stock so in all likelihood I would have had warning of the changes and been informed enough if not able to act accordingly. Knowing about Axiom’s incremental improvement process allowed me to anticipate this.

OTOH had I just recently bought towers instead of a pair of surround and pair of bookshelf speakers I would have been quite miffed not to receive an accessory pack with spikes. How many of us read the details of the product pages having been around for some time, or in the case of a new customer had some speakers in the cart for some time before deciding to pull the trigger.

I had expected that these sort of changes would be vetted through the customer council which having a customer’s perspective would have caught some of these PR issues and prevented them causing confusion. Not knowing the councils actual mandate I may have been mistaken.

I submit that because of Axioms constant incremental product improvement process that they would benefit from maintaining on the website the equivalent of a software “change log.” There is already a perfect place for it as a “sticky” at the top of the “What’s New At Axiom” sub-forum which actually misses talking about most of what is new. Having a separate change log would leave open individual threads for major developments like a new model release such as the VP180, or announcements of version number updates.

I really think that Axiom should consider implementing something like this for no other reason that to create a focal point for progress reporting which may in turn help prevent updates to the web page being missed and other PR issues from arising.

Just a thought,
Dean
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#316656 - 07/25/10 08:11 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: fredk]
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Registered: 03/16/02
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Loc: CA, USA
Originally Posted By: fredk
Quote:
Sounds like FredK is showing his stuff hoping for a spot on the people's committee.

Sorry no, just pointing out your stupidity in the matter. Sombody has to say it.


Yes, Fred. Intelligent people don't usually confuse name-calling with reasoned discussion.

So, Fred, everyone here who questions the bumpy V2-V3 transition and Axiom's candor regarding the matter is also "stupid"?
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#316662 - 07/25/10 08:25 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: 2x6spds]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
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Loc: Canada
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So, Fred, everyone here who questions the bumpy V2-V3 transition and Axiom's candor regarding the matter is also "stupid"?

Lets be clear here. I am addressing you and you alone.
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#316664 - 07/25/10 08:29 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: fredk]
grunt Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Originally Posted By: fredk
Quote:
So, Fred, everyone here who questions the bumpy V2-V3 transition and Axiom's candor regarding the matter is also "stupid"?

Lets be clear here. I am addressing you and you alone.


It sure didn’t come across that way.

Sniper rifles work better than shotguns in such cases. wink
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#316672 - 07/25/10 08:55 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: grunt]
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Registered: 09/27/04
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At the risk of furthering a discussion that I wish would die.....

The only mistake I see Axiom making was showing the old cones and shipping the new ones.

Other than that, did anyone receive LESS than what they paid for? It seems as though people either received exactly what they paid for, or some "enhanced, updated" version of what they paid for.

I'm not saying everything's perfect, but it seems to me that the people who are bitching the most got MORE than they paid for.... they're just upset because they didn't receive even more than more...
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#316673 - 07/25/10 09:10 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: 2x6spds]
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Registered: 09/19/08
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Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
Originally Posted By: fredk
Quote:
Sounds like FredK is showing his stuff hoping for a spot on the people's committee.

Sorry no, just pointing out your stupidity in the matter. Sombody has to say it.


Yes, Fred. Intelligent people don't usually confuse name-calling with reasoned discussion.

So, Fred, everyone here who questions the bumpy V2-V3 transition and Axiom's candor regarding the matter is also "stupid"?



My IQ just dropped by agreeing with you. wink




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#316675 - 07/25/10 09:30 PM Re: Version 3 [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 4848
Loc: Tulsa, Oklahoma
Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson

I'm not saying everything's perfect, but it seems to me that the people who are bitching the most got MORE than they paid for.... they're just upset because they didn't receive even more than more...


+1
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#316686 - 07/26/10 12:10 AM Re: Version 3 [Re: terzaghi]
2x6spds Offline
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2726
Loc: CA, USA
terzaghi, I've made my peace with Axiom. I accept their explanation that my V2s are really V3s. OK, i let it rest.

But as to your comments, the issue isn't getting more than we paid for, but getting the V3s we did pay for.
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#316696 - 07/26/10 06:03 AM Re: Version 3 [Re: 2x6spds]
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Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 10967
Loc: Central NH
David was quoting me, just to keep the record straight.
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