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#347571 - 05/08/11 08:57 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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They used to be flawless more often than not, but that was when the Factory Outlet was around. The more recent accounts have varied from items I wouldn't want to buy regardless of discount, to minor scratches that are worth the discount; it seems to be a crap shoot lately.
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#347574 - 05/08/11 10:07 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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Dustin, welcome. The speakers have been discussed at enough length already that I'll only comment that, as has been said, it'd be even a bit better if you had the room to use an identical vertical M80 as the center.

As to the amplification, you should understand that the 400 watt maximum stated for the M80 has nothing to do with the power actually required for home listening. The max figure relates to the amount which it theoretically could use(it's actually been tested by Axiom with over 1000 watts)without suffering permanent damage(although the same couldn't be said for your hearing at that sound level). The power actually required would be about 1 watt at a comfortably loud average level of about 85dB at a typical listening distance of about 10 feet. Brief split-second peaks on source material that had a very wide dynamic range(softest to loudest)would use much more, of course, but for safe levels the typical receivers rated anywhere around 100 watts are sufficient to do the job.

You appear to be overly concerned about the impedance rating on a speaker. In order for an amplifier to have an "official" 4ohm continuous power rating(for at least 5 continuous minutes at full power under the FTC regulations)it would have to pass that severe test without overheating and shutting down. Relatively few are designed to do so, but they can nevertheless handle the less severe home listening scenarios without a problem. The fact that an amplifier has a continuous power rating at 8 ohms and possibly also at 6 ohms, but not at 4 ohms, is therefore rarely of any practical significance.

At this point you're considering an Integra model which would do the job as described above, but unless you're able to get an unusual deal on it, an essentially identical Onkyo would be available for less. Rather than the DTR-20.3, a model such as the DTR-40.2 with more advanced features, especially the superior Audyssey MultEQ(rather than 2EQ)should be considered. In most cases an Onkyo 708 or 709 which would meet this requirement would be available at a lower price(than the 40.2).
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#347593 - 05/09/11 02:38 AM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: JohnK]
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Thanks JohnK The dtr-20.3 was a price of $650 canadian...
that price is the sweat spot right now for me. The onkyo 709 which is comparable is $750 ball park. Is multieq rather then 2eq worth the switch from a better product in integra to onkyo. (as far as craftsmenship is concerned)

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#347594 - 05/09/11 03:10 AM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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The 20.3 is more nearly comparable to the 608/609, while the 708/709 would be comparable to the 40.2. There's no good reason to believe that Integra models are in reality better in craftmanship than the corresponding Onkyos; they're designed and manufactured by the same people.

Yes, MultEQ is a significant step-up in the accuracy of equalization, especially in the low bass frequencies,so in my view going up to the 700 series in Onkyo(or 40 series in Integra)is very worthwhile.
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#347595 - 05/09/11 03:39 AM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: JohnK]
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Thanks JohnK I ment that onkyo are mass produced assembly line while integras are more hand picked parts.. Atleast thats what ive been told. I think i will be going with the 709 anyways. Seeming that the multieq will help out. Thanks again. Cant wait for all my equipment.

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#347596 - 05/09/11 03:45 AM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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I'd want to see a breakdown of what parts are supposedly superior in the Integra line. Having gone from an Integra pre-pro to an Onkyo receiver, it's hard to see what's inferior about the Onkyo. The things I do notice are the more recent features on the Onkyo. Maybe Integras do integrate better for custom installers, but since I don't utilize any of that, it's lost on me.

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#347604 - 05/09/11 09:21 AM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: CV]
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Right on thats good to know. Must of been maybe the salesmen trying to make a sale. Thanks for the information. I wouldnt want to spend the extra cash on bs.

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#347708 - 05/10/11 02:03 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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Just an update to everyone ordered my m80s today and cant wait for them to arrive. I also decided to go with the integra dtr-20.3 even though it doesnt have the multieq just the 2eq. I figure I can run the 2eq as a base then tweak the setting to my ear from there. I forgot wires does a guy need oxygen free or silver wires or can i just get some bulk 12g copper with whatever connections I need and go from there?

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#347709 - 05/10/11 02:12 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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Bulk 12g is good; check out Monoprice for inexpensive cable or Axiom for wire that's a little more, but evidently very nice quality and not stiff.

Congrats on the M80s!
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#347713 - 05/10/11 02:53 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Thank you can I use banana plugs to connect into the m80s? Or do they require a different connect like axiom wire product page shows?

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