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#382378 - 09/02/12 05:19 PM Looking for pre/pro all channels driven
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Registered: 04/16/12
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Loc: Red Lake Ontario
Does anyone have pictures how to wire the back of the reciever using pre amps . Ive been looking for wiring schematics using google but nothing much comes up .Not many images show how a pre amp is connected to the receiver and then to the speakers
thinking about a new receiver but would like to make sure it has all the quality connections . I am new to pre amps , thus the question
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#382379 - 09/02/12 05:20 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: gearcruncher]
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Are you talking about using the receiver AS a preamp, or using the receiver as an amp with a pre-amp?

The second would be extraordinarily uncommon, while the first is pretty typical.

If it's the first, simply hook the pre-outs on the receiver to the amplifier and the amplifier to the speakers.

If the second, well, maybe you should reconsider.


Edited by Ken.C (09/02/12 05:20 PM)
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#382381 - 09/02/12 05:37 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: gearcruncher]
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using the reciever as a pre amp . There arent many pictures showing the wiring configuration out there .
Lets say I wanted 7.1 or 11.1 surround amplified .
Do many receivers have the capability of pre- amping all 7 or 11 channels ?


Edited by gearcruncher (09/02/12 05:41 PM)
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#382382 - 09/02/12 05:48 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: gearcruncher]
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The higher end ones do. Just look for "pre-outs" as a feature.
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#382384 - 09/02/12 05:56 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: gearcruncher]
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http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-s...Receiver/1.html

Here is an Okyo that has 9.2 channel pre-outs.

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#382386 - 09/02/12 06:05 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: gearcruncher]
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My yammy 5063 with 90/per channel doesnt have the punch I want and its not pre amp capable . I am willing to go the extra mile with my next receiver as long as its got the pre amp connections I want .I listen to music with all 7 channels driven .I prefer 11.1 . This way I have room for upgrades in the home theatre as I progress .
With Axiom,s natural sound , am I looking at high end Denon ,Onkyo or possibly Marantz ,pioneer ?
Got any recomendations ?
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#382387 - 09/02/12 06:10 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: gearcruncher]
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i can say only good things about my Marantz, used as a preamp.

i know for a fact that if i were to use the Marantz power amps, i would be short on power for lots of music and movie listening at realistic levels.

i use the Marantz only to drive the back surrounds, and with some movies that have lots of information in the back channels, the power stage gets very warm, not hot, so i installed a small fan to help get rid of some of the heat.

Close your eyes, see the music...


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#382388 - 09/02/12 06:19 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: J. B.]
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Originally Posted By: J. B.
i can say only good things about my Marantz, used as a preamp.

i know for a fact that if i were to use the Marantz power amps, i would be short on power for some music and movie listening at realistic levels.

i use the Marantz only to drive the back surrounds, and with some movies that have lots of information in the back channels, the power stage gets very warm, not hot, so i installed a small fan to help get rid of some of the heat.


Thanks JB . I have a pool table in the mix of my home theatre so rear channels being amplified would be a plus . I am using two M3,s as my rears . At present , they are powered by the yammy 5063 and the lows are not driven enough . They sound good but if I could amplify the rears in my system it would really help
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#382389 - 09/02/12 07:08 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: gearcruncher]
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if i were you, aside from looking at AVR's with the # of channels you want, i would also look at how much power you need to reproduce cleanly the most demanding music/movie source you intend to use, and then double the power you will need (+3dB) just for headroom and caring for future needs. The front speakers along with the sub are the most demanding, power wise.

if you have a look at my room, you will see that it's quite small - around 1500 cu. ft. plus an open doorway to the kitchen = 3000 cu.ft. - and i sit about 6-7 ft from the front speakers.
when i play some demanding movie at Reference Level, the front speakers need around 300 Watts/ch.

if the AVR's power output is not sufficient for your needs, i would seriously consider either Emotiva amps or some pro amps from reputed makers, like Crown or Peavey or QSC or others; (QSC has a 6 year warranty).
those amps have the advantage of having sensitivity potentiometers, so it's much simpler to adjust levels between fronts and surrounds and the sub.

your Yamaha is 90 W/ch, but only when one channel is working; with all channels working at the same time, your effective power could be around 50 Watts/ch. Clearly not sufficient for some music and lots of movies at Reference Level.


Edited by J. B. (09/02/12 07:13 PM)
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#382390 - 09/02/12 07:50 PM Re: Looking for pre/pro all channels driven [Re: gearcruncher]
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Registered: 11/18/11
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Loc: Toronto
I have a Denon AVR-4311CI and it has preamp outs. From a power perspective though it claims 140W x 9 channels but in reality it can only drive 2 channels at 140 Watts. I actually use a 3 channel ADA1000 to drive my M80s and VP150, so I use the Denon preamp out for the fronts and center. The Denon handles the surrounds and rears.

The Denon is quite good, I would recommend it.
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