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#370916 - 03/25/12 12:19 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
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Observation: Assuming the LFR1100's will be a huge success; there should be a rather significant spike in the auction site for M80's coming up. That's gotta be good.
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#370937 - 03/25/12 04:00 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
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Hey FireGuy


Me thinks you're on to something here, and I agree with you. But the only draw back is, like with fine wine, these M80's age gracefully I'm sure, and still holds onto it's value rather well. So if I was in the market for some used M80's I wouldn't be looking for great savings.
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#370954 - 03/25/12 06:45 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: FireGuy]
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Originally Posted By: FireGuy
Observation: Assuming the LFR1100's will be a huge success; there should be a rather significant spike in the auction site for M80's coming up. That's gotta be good.


I do not know that there will be a large spike (however, i DO know that there will most likely be a pair of M60ti's for sale). Due to the system requirements to run these speakers. People that are currently using a receiver or 1 channel of amplification per speaker now will have to buy the new speakers in addition to a second channel of equal amplification per speaker. For people who are using receivers, i am not sure that you can have the exact same signal sent to multiple channels in a receivers amplifier section? If you can not, then people who are currently using receivers will have to buy 4 channels of matched amplification. Of course, you could just power the front speakers... But that would kind of be defeating the point of buying the new towers...

Given the the current number of people who use outboard amps compared to receivers is pretty small, i do not know that we will see the demand to upgrade that was experienced when the vp180 was introduced.... The initial price point of these speakers is higher, and the added amplification makes these speaker about 5,000$, a pair retail, by the time everything is bought and paid for. That is leaving 1,300$ for 4 channels of amplification which is somewhat modest amount.


Edited by dakkon (03/25/12 06:46 PM)

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#370958 - 03/25/12 07:42 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
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I'm wondering... If you were going for a 2-chanel setup with the LFR1100s. Would a configuration like this work?

Take a CD/DVD-A/SACD/etc player with a quality pair of stereo outs, and run them into the DSP box. Then take the four outputs of the DSP and run them into the the front and surround channels of the 5.1 input of a receiver. As long as the receiver has the same amps on all five channels (as most do these days), it sounds like you'd be set.
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#370960 - 03/25/12 08:14 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: ClubNeon]
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Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
I'm wondering... If you were going for a 2-chanel setup with the LFR1100s. Would a configuration like this work?

Take a CD/DVD-A/SACD/etc player with a quality pair of stereo outs, and run them into the DSP box. Then take the four outputs of the DSP and run them into the the front and surround channels of the 5.1 input of a receiver. As long as the receiver has the same amps on all five channels (as most do these days), it sounds like you'd be set.


Any processing done by the receiver would totally hose your idea.. I don't know if receivers have a "pass through"... which is what you are essentially describing.... JohnK, and the Axiom folks would most likely know if what you described would be feasible...

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#370977 - 03/25/12 09:57 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: dakkon]
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Although we don't have full details at this time if how the outputs of the "DSP box" are configured(or what it specifically does), if it takes the front left and right stereo channels and modifies(in some way)each channel for the back drivers, the modified output could be fed to the surround inputs on the receiver as Chris suggests. Then the surround outputs would be connected to the back driver terminals.

The output channels are identical in maximum output and assuming that the sections of the LFR1100 are similar in sensitivity to the M80, typical receivers with 100-150 watt ratings should be more than sufficient.
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#370982 - 03/25/12 10:28 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: dakkon]
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Originally Posted By: dakkon
I don't know if receivers have a "pass through"... which is what you are essentially describing....

The 7/5.1 inputs on receivers are almost always analog pass-through. No delay or bass management can be applied to them. They function simply as a pre-amp to the amplifiers.

The only issue, and I doubt it will be one, is the DSP will be seeing a full line-level signal, rather than an attenuated one, that it would receive post pre-amp in the standard configuration.
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#370983 - 03/25/12 10:42 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: ClubNeon]
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Chris, we've missed your understanding and memory of the details.
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#370984 - 03/25/12 10:53 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
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Registered: 08/08/09
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Hey John. I have an Onkyo 3007 receiver. So if I wanted to purchase the new speakers what would I need to do to take full advantage of them?
Would I have to use seperate amps and if so would I lose my rear channels. I currently run 7.1 with 2 80s, 180, and 4 qs8s.
Thanks

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#370987 - 03/25/12 11:06 PM Re: Exciting News From Axiom! [Re: Amie]
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My suggestion would only work for people wanting a 2-channel setup; that would never be using any sort of surround speakers, or anything but the analog inputs to the receiver.

The normal method of hooking up these speakers would be to use the line outputs for the main left and right channels (which requires that you have a receiver that provides these, most lower models do not). You take those two pre-outs and run them into the DSP box. The DSP box then provides a total of four outputs, which then go into power amps, and those amps are connected to the speakers.

So yes, you need four channels (either two stereo, or one multi-channel (4+)) of external amplification. But you won't lose your surrounds in this case.

Actually with the VP180, you're a candidate for ordering the 3-way DSP box, that provides additional shaping for that speaker. That means you'd require five channels of external amps, which are easy enough to find.

EDIT: I just looked your Onkyo 3007 does have the required pre-outs.


Edited by ClubNeon (03/25/12 11:07 PM)
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