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#86943 - 03/29/05 04:55 PM Re: Confession #2
tomtuttle Offline
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Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8283
Loc: Tacoma
I'm sorry I misunderstood your intent, Craig. I hope you will consider continuing to post, because I always feel like I learn from your experiences. I actually considered responding to your original post about your recent change and M22 audition, but did not feel like I had anything to add since I own neither those nor the Rockets.
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#86944 - 03/29/05 04:58 PM Re: Confession #2
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Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2841
Loc: Rochester, NY
Craig - "lurking status" is just north of unacceptable. We are always enriched with your visits, insights and contributions. Certainly your humor brightens the days spent here as well.

You are always welcome and, as Tom Bodette says, "We'll leave the light on".

Now, can I interest you in an MX-700???

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#86945 - 03/29/05 05:07 PM Re: Confession #2
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Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
Ray, While I appreciate the ... uhhhhhh... kind words... NOONE has ever used "enriched" when dealing with me, other than the IRS ...
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#86946 - 03/29/05 06:07 PM Re: Confession #2
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axiomite

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5373
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>I actually considered responding to your original post about your recent change and M22 audition, but did not feel like I had anything to add

I think a lot of us felt the same way. I really did think you were posting on the AV123 forum not AVS and have to admit I was thinking "hmm, that's gonna start another pi**ing contest, wonder what time the show starts, do I have any popcorn ?"

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#86947 - 03/29/05 06:15 PM Re: Confession #2
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Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
Well... As good as both company's products really are, I don't think there would be any hard feelings.

I DO get annoyed when anonymous posters on independent fora like AVS start making comments like "Shrill", "Metallic", and "sounding like they are in a trash can" about Axiom.

Someday, I will have one of these guys in a blind test ...
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#86948 - 03/29/05 06:20 PM Re: Confession #2
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axiomite

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5373
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
I just finished reading the thread and I have only one comment :

Ajax, for a Rocket shill you sure have been standing up for Axioms a lot

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#86949 - 03/29/05 06:22 PM Re: Confession #2
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axiomite

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5373
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
There was always something odd with GD's posts. He would start out as very reasonable and (dare I say) insightful... but if the discussion didn't go just right then things would escalate and get out of hand. Don't know exactly the right words, but everything would get exaggerated and overblown, including interpretation of peoples comments and intentions.

The worst part is that there probably WAS something wrong with his VP150 and we'll never know what happened ;(

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#86950 - 03/29/05 06:24 PM Re: Confession #2
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Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
In reply to:

Ajax, for a Rocket shill you sure have been standing up for Axioms a lot


Always have; always will!
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#86951 - 03/29/05 06:24 PM Re: Confession #2
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Registered: 01/10/02
Posts: 1034
Loc: Canada
I too have stayed away from this thread.....but here are some ramblings:

a) Jack is a very nice guy, based on his posts and PM's we have exchanged. I think it wonderful that he received first the nomination, and then the prize!

b) Ray and Craig are also very fine gentlemen, based on the accounts in this thread.

c) It should not be taken for granted that everyone visits all forums - simply does not happen. I for one do not have the time to crusie the 'net on forums. If you do, wonderful, but understand Craig that others do not.

d) As hard as I try, I also fall into the mindset of "makeover" being an upgrade. I have seen this at the local lumber store -submit a picture of your kitchen/bathroom, get a free makeover!!! The criteria is usually a room VERY lacking. In this case, the system being "madeover" was a good system. I blame Home Depot!!! LOL

e) If you think there is no marketing angle, great. I can't view it as such. Look at the discussion it spawned about the company, keeping the name SQUARELY in all of the people reading/posting/lurking on this and other boards. As it was an Axiom system that was replaced, the image factor must also be accounted for.

f) Sales promotion - maybe we will never know, but Ray knows if he decided to look elsewhere based on Jack's experience. Maybe Ray was enticed, maybe not - it does not matter. But would he have simply picked up smaller Axioms for his new palace? Only he can say for sure....

My take is that this may have been a kind act to a good man. He opened himself up, and would think he expected to be challenged. How many of us own products other than Axiom? I for one own openly claim to have speakers that I believe far outperform my Axioms. But we tend to get bent out of shape when someone challenges our beloved Axioms.

Kudos for being brave Jack
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#86952 - 03/29/05 06:29 PM Re: Confession #2
Seabear Offline
devotee

Registered: 01/03/05
Posts: 365
Loc: Charlottesville, Virginia
Ah, you know what?
This has just gotten completly out of hand. Anyone else agree?
Nobody wants Craig to leave, right?
Don't be ridiculous.
Nobody REALLY thinks that it was a Bad Thing for Jack to get a set of speakers that WE would ALL Be Happy to welcome into our homes, Right?
Nobody Really wants to use Ray's purchase of Rockets as proof that Mark had a hidden agenda on his mind, Right?
Nobody Really thinks that this nice fellow from Rocket is sitting in his Dark Lair right now, rubbing his hands together, chuckling to himself; "Aha! Now I've got them! Those silly little Axiomites will be streaming over to the Dark Side Now!"
Geeezzz! C'Mon Here People!
A Couple of nice people (Craig & then Mark)did something nice for a Really Nice Fellow.
And now we find ourselves on what, page 7 or 8 of a malestrom of nice folks hollering at each other about it?

Bridgeman, Can you Please pull out one of those guns and put this one down (I know you tried already, but your wonderful hijack got hijacked right back! Is that even legal?) before too many are too mad at each other.
Whew.
TjB


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