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#86953 - 03/29/05 06:32 PM Re: Confession #2
Seabear Offline
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Registered: 01/03/05
Posts: 365
Loc: Charlottesville, Virginia
Holy Crap.
7 or 8 more posts since I started my reply.
Gotta go to the dinner table.
Can't even read them right now.
Geeezzz.
TjB

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#86954 - 03/29/05 06:33 PM Re: Confession #2
bridgman Offline
axiomite

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5348
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>But we tend to get bent out of shape when someone challenges our beloved Axioms.

Very true. We should try hard not to do that, however.

One thing that struck me when reading the AVS thread was the VP150 discussion -- I remember that a number of people here have replaced their VP150s with different centers and been happier with the results, but I believe in every case the new center was more expensive. Some people have gone with another bookshelf or tower speaker as a center and been happier than with VP150. Again, they are probably right and they probably do have better sound in their environments.

Horizontal center channels are not designed horizontally because that is the optimal acoustic setup, they are designed horizontally to fit on top of a TV and not look stupid. Personally I would like to try a Bigfoot (that big-ass Rocket center which is essentially an M60 on its side) with the M60s once I move into the new house, and I bet I would find it quite an improvement. It also costs twice as much as anything Axiom offers, so this is not a criticism of the VP series in any way (other than my firm belief that Axiom should also offer an M60-based VP250 ). I'm really happy with the VP100 and would recommend it to anyone.

Same deal with the rest of the Axiom lineup -- of course you can get better speakers, but they also tend to be more expensive. In Jack's case the new system is probably worth twice as much as his current system (probably more if you include the electronics), and I would be very surprised if it didn't sound better. I can live with calling that a makeover, but then again I don't watch a lot of TV

Anyways, I forget what I was ranting about so I guess I'm done...


Edited by bridgman (03/29/05 06:35 PM)

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#86955 - 03/29/05 07:13 PM Re: Confession #2
Ajax Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
A couple of great logical, sensible posts, Seabear and Mike.

With all due respect for those who only want this thread to quietly disappear, I would like to comment on Mike's
In reply to:

If you think there is no marketing angle, great. I can't view it as such. Look at the discussion it spawned about the company, keeping the name SQUARELY in all of the people reading/posting/lurking on this and other boards.


Two points to make. One, This has been discussed on av123 forum, of course; here in this thread; and it came up in an unrelated thread about Rockets and av123 on AVS, but was hardly the focus of that thread. That's three threads on three different forums. And only on this forum and av123's forum was the thread ABOUT the makeover. To my knowledge it has NOT come up, in any incarnation on the Home Theater Spot, the Home Theater Forum, the Secrets of Home Theater forum, Audioholics forum, AudioCircle forum, or any other forum. In all these places there are many more threads spawning discussion where the company's name is already SQUARELY in front of all the people reading/posting/lurking there.

Two, the marketing issue seems to focus on intent. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that Mark and av123 INTENDED to use their gift for marketing purposes. I want to state that I DON'T BELIEVE, FOR A MINUTE, THAT THE INTENT OF MARK, OR AV123, WAS TO MARKET THEIR PRODUCTS, but let's pretend, just for a moment, that it was. SO WHAT?

I was watching ABC's Home Makeover Sunday night, The Sears name was prominent all the way through the show, including a commercial, disguised as a "thank you" for letting Sears be a part of the makeover, and making sure that Sears contribution was well documented. It is far more likely that Sears' intent was to exploit the marketing aspect of their donation than it was Mark's and av123's intent to do the same. Nobody seems to be ragging on Sears for their intended marketing coup. And for good reason. Regardless of their intent, the fact remains that SEARS DID A VERY NICE THING BY DONATING ALL THAT NICE STUFF TO THE MAKEOVER. It seems ridiculous, to me, that we should negate Sears generosity, because they want to score points for that generosity.

So, even if Mark and av123 had marketing in mind, and again I point out that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY INTENDED ANY MARKETING, that should not, in any way, detract from the kindness of the act. After all, what the did was no less kind and generous than what Sears did.

I just don't get it
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#86956 - 03/29/05 07:30 PM Re: Confession #2
bridgman Offline
axiomite

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5348
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
I don't think there are actually many people saying that Mark's motivation was primarily marketing... we were just reacting strongly to statements that seemed to say "there was no marketing benefit because blah blah blah".

I fully believe Mark's reasons were all the best here, but I would also argue that there was a marketing benefit to offering you the system. That does not devalue the gesture at all IMO... guess I'm just saying "don't say there was no benefit, that's just too hard a sell".

Again, I think this was just a situation that needed very careful wording (Jack, we thought we were gonna LOSE you !!) and we weren't quite careful enough...

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#86957 - 03/29/05 07:36 PM Re: Confession #2
pmbuko Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16268
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
I've decided to capitalize on the wildfire-like spread of Jack-is-a-good-guy Fever™ by producing some pseudo-religious iconic portraits. The first batch is now complete and features Jack with a contemplative expression that suggests forgiveness and compassion. His arms are extended sideways and a golden glowing aura surrounds his head. The portraits are acrylic on yak-gut membrane stretched between platinum rods.

PM me if interested.


Jack's a good guy, independent of the fact that he won a home theater makeover. But we knew that, right?
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#86958 - 03/29/05 07:41 PM Re: Confession #2
dmn23 Offline
aficionado

Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 649
Loc: Nashville, TN
That's the second best laugh I've had all day. Bigjohn's was the first. My boss was over in the next cube having a meeting with some uber-bigwig, and I almost spit out my coffee from laughing too hard.
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#86959 - 03/29/05 08:10 PM Re: Confession #2
Ajax Offline
axiomite

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6250
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
I assume THIS creation of yours will be one of the iconic portraits.


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"People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." - G. K. Chesterton

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#86960 - 03/29/05 08:13 PM Re: Confession #2
craigsub Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 1306
PM ... How did you get those two to look 20 years younger than they really are ?
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#86961 - 03/29/05 08:21 PM Re: Confession #2
pmbuko Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16268
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
PhotoShop can work miracles.
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#86962 - 03/29/05 08:21 PM Re: Confession #2
Ray3 Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2840
Loc: Rochester, NY
I continue to be amazed at what an exceptionally good-looking hunk of man meat I really am!!!!!!!!!!!!

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