The more googling I do, the more I wonder what percentage of refurbs actually get refurbed.

However, the denon with 40 watts/2 lbs less costs over $30 more, and finding an integrated amp with a subwoofer out seems impossible.

The MSRP prices on lots of gear as advertized on their site makes me laugh.. then becomes depressing, ditto for Denon's site, so I suppose I'll stick to refurbs for a while.

Last edited by Thasp; 07/19/05 06:39 PM.