I want to talk about something coming from an old fogey's perspective. Years ago I had a 40 watt/channel Technics stereo receiver which I really liked. I think I've been looking for its equal in an AVR ever since. Well, I've had a Pioneer, Yamaha, and a Denon. I believe all three of them have their own limitations. I know most of you are probably sick and tired of me saying this, but I preferred the 2 channel performance of the Yamaha over the other 2, but none of them has reached the lofty heights I have been searching for all these years. I'm afraid I will never find this beast, because it doesn't exist. I know I should stop my search, but the urge I have is to press on until I find the grail or die trying.