Thank you St_PatGuy.

I had a feeling these speakers were more prone to placement issues. Not a problem for me, and i'm sure i can get them set properly within a few hours of listening. I did not understand the one reviewers placement of these speakers at all. But even with the bad placement, he still had to admit the treble responce was much better on the M80, then the Swan.

Some speakers the placement is easy, some you have to play with, not a big deal. To be honest, i'm not sure alot of people understand that.