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and the Onkyos are iffy in that department.



Hey hey hey! As the proud owner of almost every Axiom speaker made and who also uses a Onkyo I resent that comment! :-) All kidding aside, yeah I thought of that to. My 800 did a great job of pushing my 80's but it only sounded decent to a certain db. After that my trusty Onkyo ran out of gas. I only use it as a pre now anyway. I did hook up my 50's to it once and it seemed to do fine with them.