The Denon has a setting for tone defeat. With that bypassed and there silly room EQ off they sound more or less the same. With tone on and everything at 0, the Denon is brighter. There is no doubt there but it's not a huge change but I hear it. The big change is when you get going on the volume, the Denon has far more control and composure.

This is a nice unit. It does almost everything well. I have been playing with it for about 7 hours now. Is it heads and tails above my 800?............no. It has more power and a few more bells and whistles but the Onkyo holds its own. Biggest compliment I pay the 3805 is exactly what I said above. I could run this all on it's own and be very happy. That includes music and movies. I could then dump a total of 5 other amps (And some of these are very highly regarded) and pay some bills and buy more speakers or something! :-)......what to do?, what to do?