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I have not heard the two side by side. I have heard Klipsch subs though and I have heard Hsu subs. My answer on the Klipsch sub is based on going by memory.

If you want to go by the specs of each

The Klipsch sub-10

Height 17.01 in
Width 14.02 in
Depth 18.86 in

Features Minimum Frequency Response 28 Hz
Maximum Frequency Response 120 Hz
Output Features Bass Reflex
Powered Sub-Woofer Yes
Type of Speaker(s) Subwoofer
Amplification Type Active
Connectors 1 x audio line-in ( RCA phono x 2 ), Speakers input, Speakers output
Additional Features Auto power on/off

Driver Size Driver Details Subwoofer : 1 x subwoofer driver - 10"


The Hsu VTF 2 MK3
Amp Power (RMS) 250
Frequency Response (maxiumum extension mode) 18 Hz
Frequency Response (maxiumum output mode) 25 Hz
Woofer size 12 inches
Crossover Bypassable 24 dB/Oct, continuously variable 30 - 90 Hz low pass filter
Phase 0/180°
Dimensions 22"(h) X 15" (w) X 23" (d)
Shipping Weight 80 Lbs
Outlet Power Requirement 300 W, 120/240V

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is it a biased opinion?

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Beleive me or not I really don't care. Get what you like, it not my money.

Bigred, the Hsu VTF-2 MKII blew away the Klipsch KSW-12. No competition. I had both. The Hsu 10" driver totally outperformed the Klipsch 12". I would expect the newer Hsu models to deliver more of the same.

ok sweet, as long as the Hsu sub completely blows away the klipsch, then it sounds like a great deal! Thanks alot guys! so everyone still thinks the Hsu VTF-2 MKII is better than the EP175? cause if so its cheaper and well thats a no brainer if its cheaper and better

Keep in mind Hsu and SVS are pretty much solely in the sub business, so they can make great products at a better price. That is not to say the Axioms subs are not good, they are very nice subs. I love my ep500, and soon to be ep600.

Will the M50's give me a decenet amount of bass, or should i just stick with the M3's and like a Hsu sub?

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Oooh ooh, I can help. I own a pair of m22ti's and the VP150 center. I've been thinking about upgrading to M60/M80's and I've been listening to a lot of other speakers while deciding what to do. I did stop by my local Best Buy's Magnolia room and critically listened to the speakers you mentioned. I'm far from an expert, but I can compare them all to the Axiom sound of the m22's.

i really like my Axioms, and I'm glad I purchased them. They really are quite nice and compare favorably with speakers costing twice as much.

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Hey Peter i appreciate your input. And i see you live in jacksonville Il, i live in springfield and im guessing thats where you went to the visit the magnolia. I dont mean to sound weird, but do you think i could possibly audition your axioms sometime, to get a good idea what im getting? if not thats fine, but it would help me out alot!

Would it be stupid to get the M3's withg the VP150??? because it seems like everyone likes it alot more, but im not sure if it would be bad for my center channel to be bigger than my bookshelves, whats everyones opinion? lol basically im having trouble deciding what exactly i want.

The center channel is the most critical speaker for HT use, so coupling M3's with a VP150 is fine. I don't think you'll ever regret going with a "better" center channel speaker.

You could also go with a 3rd M3 (or even another pair of M3's) as center. If you've never head a HT system with identical speaker all around, you'd be in for a treat. I've done this with my Titans, and a friend and I thought it sounded better in some ways than his Studio 100's with Titans in the rear, just due to the better blending of all the channels.

M3's vs VP150 - really your choice. If you have a direct view display, then the VP150 may be a better choice due to the better magnetic shielding in the VP line. I'm planning on going VP150 with my M50's since "Santa" just gave me a voucher for an Axiom center channel!

Regarding the M50's - I love mine. BUT, for HT use, they do not put out the lowest frequency "impact" bass you may want. they go low, but they don't pressurize the room like a true sub will. For music, I feel they offer very good bass. Also, though the M50's sound fine at lower volume levels, they really come alive once that knob is rotated clockwise a bit...