Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
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Absolutely. I suppose I could scrounge up the same parts quality as present in the stock network and send those to Jason along with the Ninja Master networks. Would that be worth it for you guys? You would need a third pair of speakers. If someone can guarantee that other pair of speakers, I will do it... Email me an address if I should send them to someone other than Jason so you can install ahead of time. Ninja I wanted to see if only changing one thing (the cheap thing - the xo setting) would make a noticeable quality difference.
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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
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I trust measurements done by the NRC in Canada.
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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
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Agreed! Their history speaks for itself. I trust the research done and developed by Dr. Floyd Toole at the Canadian National Research Council over anyone else in this industry.
Last edited by Dr.House; 09/22/08 03:59 PM.
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I think it's easy to get too hung up on the measurements. Especially when we're talking about things like "transparency".
Ninja, I will respectfully disagree with your assessment that the scale on the graphs doesn't matter. You've gone to great pains to measure things, to assert that those measurements have value, and to defend the integrity of those measurements. To then - within the presentation of the findings - skew the scale of the graphs subverts your earlier efforts.
I am amused that Ninja's decision to make a fairly significant change to the crossover point is getting so little play. I'd posit that Ian certainly considered different crossover points for this speaker, and that his research and his measurements led him to prefer the one in place. There's no reason why somebody else might not prefer a different design. I just don't think it shows a great deal of professional respect to suggest that Ian got everything else right about this speaker but forgot to even check to see if a different crossover point might have made a meaningful and positive difference.
I just don't buy it.
That being said, whatever makes folks happy is fine with me. Part of my personal enjoyment with Axiom speakers is not only their accurate sonic reproduction, but also the ongoing sense that they are a product of a unified creative vision.
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Mr. Tom, you are getting my vote! Well said.
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Re: Skiing Ninja offering M22v2 upgrade
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Interesting point! What I was thinking about earlier is what is Ninja trying to "change" sound quality wise with the M22v2 with this upgrade? Are you looking to add a "warm" or "laid back" quality like AV123 speakers etc(I do not think you mentioned what you were striving for with the network change).... I personally love how detailed and accurate Axiom speakers sound myself and the reason I bought them, personally I would not want them "tamed" down. Thinking about this further I thought investing in an upgrade that is 69% the cost of the speaker itself just does not make any sense to me.
Last edited by Dr.House; 09/22/08 05:37 PM.
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Same here, but if even one person does buy them then he’s got his moneys worth in advertising from this thread.
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I am amused that Ninja's decision to make a fairly significant change to the crossover point is getting so little play. ... There's no reason why somebody else might not prefer a different design. Precisely! Nice post Tom. It goes to what I was saying before: regardless what the outcome of Ian (or whomever ) measurements , the Ninja was in a no-lose situation and getting free advertisement in the process.
Last edited by JaimeG; 09/22/08 05:30 PM.
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I have to admit that I am now skeptical and am wondering if all this was nothing more than a clever marketing ploy. I was in total support of this product and Mr. Ninja until the Ninja and/or fate changed the rules of the game, and his (their) mind(s) to send Ian a crossover for testing.
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Like you said "when the rules of the game changed", I only became more skeptical of this whole thing. The way this has played out so far, I think it is very easy to be skeptical.
Last edited by Dr.House; 09/22/08 05:54 PM.
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