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Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100???
grunt #313885 07/09/10 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: grunt
Cam in my experience testing two M22 speakers laying horizontally above my screen in my apartment (mains only about 6 feet apart) I found that for multi-channel sources the center of the soundstage was way to wide for most music. For studio recordings it made the vocalist, drummer and/or any other instruments coming mostly from the center channel sound blurred across the front like the vocalists mouths were 5 feet across. No amount of tweaking any settings could “tighten up” the center channel image since the drivers were physically spread out 4-5 feet. Note this was also sitting 6-8 feet away from the screen and the further back you get the more the line array of a horizontal center starts to sound more like a point source since it’s angular width decreases relative to distance.

OTOH I did find that for movies and most concert SACD/DVDs the “wall-of-sound” effect created by an array of horizontal drivers seemed more like a movie theater of concert. Also, at first I thought the large horizontal array sounded great for everything but once I started listening critically I didn’t like the smearing effect it had on multi-channel or PLIIx music. I imagine that for most people this will not be an issue since the “wall-of-sound” does seem quite impressive.

That’s the reason I’ve been musing the idea of getting a VP180 and mounting it on a stand so it can be rotated 90 degrees between the horizontal and vertical so I can have the best of both worlds. wink (yes I’m eccentric)

Cheers,
Dean


That would be an interesting comparison. Your mains aren't very far apart but my guess is that you would still get better results with a horizontal VP180 as opposed to two horizontal M22's. The number (2) and layout (centred) of the mid drivers and tweeters on the VP180 should help "separate" them from your mains somewhat. I'm not sure why you'd want to rotate the VP180 into a vertical position though since I thought you already had a vertical M80 for a centre.

Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100???
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Originally Posted By: htnut

That would be an interesting comparison. Your mains aren't very far apart but my guess is that you would still get better results with a horizontal VP180 as opposed to two horizontal M22's. The number (2) and layout (centred) of the mid drivers and tweeters on the VP180 should help "separate" them from your mains somewhat. I'm not sure why you'd want to rotate the VP180 into a vertical position though since I thought you already had a vertical M80 for a centre.

My mains are about 10-11 feet apart the closer distance mentioned above was in my apartment. Also the issue wasn’t just separation from the mains but width of the center channel image. I agree that the VP180 driver layout should tighten up that image as compared to dual horizontal M22s.

The reason for considering a rotating VP180 would be to have it vertical for most music giving IMO a more precise soundstage for music, and horizontal for most movies giving more of a “wall-of-sound-effect. Another possibility I’ve considered would be to try a vertical M80 below the screen like I have now with a horizontal VP180 above with the option of turning the VP180 off for most music listening. Though this arrangement would create the hassle of also needing to change the center channel volume for level matching when switching between one and two centers. Though it would give the advantage during movies of better centering the center channel image vertically on the screen.

Not a high priority for me just something I’m considering if the VP180 gets good reviews that don’t indicate any horizontal dispersion issues which I often found with the VP150.


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Re: VP180 vs two VP150s vs VP150 & VP100???
grunt #313928 07/10/10 12:53 AM
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One of the things I really like about the VP180 is the speaker arrangement. Having the mids in the center flanked by the tweeters means that for all practical purposes it's still a fairly small speaker -- it just happens to have a couple of woofers hanging out at the ends to make it full range and able to play scary loud without breaking up.


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