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#313581 - 07/07/10 08:00 AM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fullerms]
Ichigo_Kurosaki Offline

Registered: 06/18/10
Posts: 463
Loc: Japan
Why don't you give a try to the 350? If you don't like you can always send it back to Axiom. I cannot give you a more detailed answer since I am still waiting for my speakers to be shipped. I guess most regular forum users have been busy, since I noticed that there are very few new topics and answers to old ones.
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#313603 - 07/07/10 12:16 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fullerms]

Originally Posted By: fullerms
I dont live in the US. Asked around a few dealers, and these are the local prices converted to USD

SVS PB 12 NSD = 790 USD
SVS PB 12 Plus = 1615 USD
SVS SB 12 Pus = 1004 USD

Paradigm DSP 3200 = 790 USD

Axiom EP 500 after shipping and taxes = 1475 USD
Axiom EO 350 after shipping and taxes = 908 USD

Which one would you guys recommend as most value for money? I am looking for a sub that does well in both music and HT.

I don't know how many people have been able to audition all of those, but based on specs alone the best deal for you seems to be the SVS PB12 NSD. If size is an issue and you want to keep it as small as possible, then the SVS SB12+ would fit the bill.

If you can stretch your budget to even cosider the PB12+ or EP500, then I'd personally go with Axiom's EP500 instead because it has similar specs to the PB12+ but has the added feature of being DSP controlled AND is still cheaper by $140. That would be my choice personally; I like to get the best/most I can in a sub since I don't tend to upgrade subs frequently.

#313623 - 07/07/10 01:48 PM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: ]
Potatohead Offline

Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 670
Loc: Vancouver
I agree, PB12 NSD would be my choice in that price range, EP500 in it's price range.

#313947 - 07/10/10 12:02 AM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: Potatohead]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10398
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Best bang for the buck IMO, is Paradigm 3200 or PB12nsd. I favor the Paradigm DSP 3200 over the PB12nsd due to DSP and it's linear output but either one would most likely make you happy.


#313977 - 07/10/10 10:40 AM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fullerms]
bridgman Offline

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5408
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Take the following with a grain of salt since it's just the (quality checked) aggregation of what I read over the last year or two.

the SVS NSD is considered to be a great value for movie use, but maybe not so much for music. The downsides for music (all hotly debated but they seem to match my limited experience) are (a) relatively more output comes from the port & cabinet so rapid bass not as "tight" (doesn't cut off as fast), and (b) frequency response not quite as flat (haven't looked at charts so less sure about this one).

I have an SVS PC Plus (cylinder, not box, bought before the high end Axiom subs came out) and am happy with it - if I were buying now I would probably try an EP500 and would expect to be happier in some ways (flatter frequency response, probably better with music, hard to overdrive) and less happy in other ways (probably can't produce quite as much output as the PB Plus).

I don't know anything about the SB12 other than that it presumably is a sealed box sub so peak output will probably be lower unless it has a huge honkin' amp (it might). Should be good for music though.

If you want a very crude ranking loaded with all kinds of stereotypes (but probably not wrong), based on the prices above, I would suggest something like :

Best value for movies - SVS NSD

Similar to NSD for movies, better for music - EP350, SB Plus

EP500 and PB Plus would both be a step up, with EP500 maybe a bit better for music and PB Plus maybe a bit better for movies (this is getting even more tenuous).

Remember this is free advice and worth every penny wink

EDIT - I should mention that I have never been particularly happy playing music with a sub and tend to listen with the sub switched off. Not sure if that is because I don't have the right sub yet, because I need to tinker more with placement + crossover settings, or if my ears are just used to the response curve I get without a sub.

FWIW I'm running :

HT system - M60s, VP180, QS8s plus M2s waiting to be hooked up as rear surrounds

Music system - M40s (discontinued 2 way, like M3 but tower cabinet)

Edited by bridgman (07/10/10 11:00 AM)

#314238 - 07/12/10 03:11 AM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: bridgman]
fullerms Offline

Registered: 06/07/10
Posts: 25
Ok thanks guys. Will try to audition those subs locally before posting again.

On a side note, can someone please measure the height of the Tweeter of the M22 from the base? If I'm placing the M22s on a console, then I need to ensure that I have the right dimensions in order to get the tweeters to ear height.

#314241 - 07/12/10 04:49 AM Re: Which Axiom HT package for Denon 1610? [Re: fullerms]
JohnK Offline
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Registered: 05/11/02
Posts: 10388
MS, the center of the tweeter dome is 17 1/2" from the enclosure base, but you really don't have to be that precise in having the tweeters at about ear height.

Enjoy the music, not the equipment.

#314438 - 07/13/10 03:40 AM Sub update [Re: jakewash]
fullerms Offline

Registered: 06/07/10
Posts: 25
I auditioned the paradigm dsp 3200, but was not impressed. This is partly due to the dealer's inept handling of the setup. I had too many interruptions while he kept 'tuning' the sub. Then he insisted that I listen to his 'recommended tracks'. That did it for me.

Went to another dealer to audition the Svs, but they had a broken unit. Auditioned a Velodyne CHT-10Q instead. Must say the Velodyne sounded pretty good. The price is also within my budget.
What do you guys think of the Velodynes?

#314541 - 07/13/10 03:15 PM Re: Sub update [Re: fullerms]
jakewash Offline
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Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10398
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Too bad about the DSP3200 I quite like them.

The only time I had a Velodyne in my system was with the DLS-5000R and it was just boomy(in my house and at a friends), better than the sub I had at the time but no where near the quality of SVS, Axiom and the like. My understanding is that with Velodyne you have to pay much more to get the same kind of quality as with Axiom, SVS, Hsu etc.

Having said all that, if you liked the Velodyne and it is within your budget then I would get it, but first check out some other possiblities.


#314569 - 07/13/10 05:43 PM Re: Sub update [Re: jakewash]
Adrian Offline

Registered: 12/27/08
Posts: 6609
Loc: It's all about the location.
I would also try a different Paradigm dealer and have another listen of the DSP3200, also try the 3400 if you are able. Imo, they are decent subs for the coin.
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