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#337912 - 02/10/11 06:09 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Argon]
Kruncher Offline
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Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 484
Loc: Maple Ridge, BC
Originally Posted By: Argon
Well....that ought to spark another round of newbie "Bright" questions/accusations.


Argon has mystical predictive powers! grin

Seriously, this is quite the entertaining thread. Just as Mark mentioned somewhere in there, I subscribed to S&V and HT for years, and finally gave up on both for the same reasons. No consistency in testing/reviewing approaches. Once in while there would be something there that would be interesting that I wouldn't necessarily see discussed elsewhere. But if it was really genuinely useful then it would be a discussion topic here anyway, among those that I learned to trust much more that the "professionals". Don't let it go to your head Pete. wink

BobK mentioned a point of diminishing returns that for him personally was around $5k. For me, after enjoying my M22s for a few years now (really? already?), that point is anything more that I'd pay for Axioms. One of my relatives manages a boutique electronics shop. It's a very nice place, and the staff is well educated. I'll buy TVs from him and some other stuff, and support him (he's a good guy), and he's constantly trying to talk me into trying out the speakers he carries. Very nice looking, and good sounding stuff. The last I listened to were Focals.

But there's no way that I can justify that kind of coin for marginal improvements. Not gonna happen.

Nope. Unless something drastically changes in the marketplace, I'll be speaker shopping right here.

Subs, specifically, however might be another issue when/if the time comes for me.

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#337921 - 02/10/11 07:50 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Kruncher]
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Originally Posted By: Kruncher
Originally Posted By: Argon
Well....that ought to spark another round of newbie "Bright" questions/accusations.


Argon has mystical predictive powers! grin

Seriously, this is quite the entertaining thread.


You nailed it on both points. At my age the highs may begin to roll off. Any additional brightness is a benefit.

Bill

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#337934 - 02/10/11 10:42 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: wilwom]
JBall Offline
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Registered: 11/11/10
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Originally Posted By: wilwom
Originally Posted By: Kruncher
Originally Posted By: Argon
Well....that ought to spark another round of newbie "Bright" questions/accusations.


Argon has mystical predictive powers! grin

Seriously, this is quite the entertaining thread.


You nailed it on both points. At my age the highs may begin to roll off. Any additional brightness is a benefit.

Bill


Go to Radio Shack and buy a super tweeter and place it on top of your speakers. LOL.

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#337939 - 02/11/11 12:20 AM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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And if you don't like the brightness, turn down the treble.
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#337946 - 02/11/11 07:29 AM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: ClubNeon]
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turning down the treble adjusts more than just high frequencies. Not a good solution for dealing with a bright speaker IMO.

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#337953 - 02/11/11 08:59 AM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Registered: 07/28/10
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Originally Posted By: JBall
Wow people don't like to have stuff they owned critically criticized. Seriously, I own a Hyunia Genesis Coupe. I very much enjoy reading all the pros/cons from pro reviewers even if I may not agree with them all. It's amazing how quickly owners are willing to dismiss findings.

I looked at several reviews from Brent and others at S&V and haven't seen any speakers such as the NHT's, Monitor Audios, exhibit so much high frequency boost. Perhaps its fair to ask how he measured the speaker but why discredit the reviewer solely b/c you don't like the outcome. I would have to assume since he is a professional, he is consistently testing each speaker. Just b/c he moved the speakers for listening doesn't mean he didn't test them all on the same location using the same protocol.



I was critical of his inconsistencies, not his personal tastes or opinions. Clearly he prefers a warm, colored speaker with rolled off highs. Nothing wrong with that. If he doesn't like rolled off highs then that tells me his room must be accentuating the highs, which would make a warm speaker sound neutral and a neutral speaker sound bright. The Revel is over 12 inches taller than the M60, so raise the M60 another 12 inches and I'm sure it wouldn't sound as bright. Either way just be consistent in the comments and testing procedure and the article will have much more weight. It's obvious that he is easily influenced by the name, price, and looks of a speaker. Many people are, but as a reviewer he needs to be more objective and less biased.
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#337961 - 02/11/11 09:59 AM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: avjunkee]
BlueJays1 Offline
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Neither the M60 or Salon 2 have rolled off highs.
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#337969 - 02/11/11 10:55 AM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: avjunkee]
Jc Offline
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Registered: 06/27/06
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Loc: Sherbrooke, QC, Canada
Originally Posted By: avjunkee
It's obvious that he is easily influenced by the name, price, and looks of a speaker. Many people are, but as a reviewer he needs to be more objective and less biased.

I could not agree more. Many reviewers try to justify the cost of the speaker with their comments. Furthermore, they try to demonstrate that "they" posses the talent and the ears to perceive the difference which the higher price implies. Above a certain price level, the price of the speaker has no relation with its sound quality.
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#337970 - 02/11/11 10:57 AM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Jc]
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Registered: 09/19/08
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Originally Posted By: Jc
Originally Posted By: avjunkee
It's obvious that he is easily influenced by the name, price, and looks of a speaker. Many people are, but as a reviewer he needs to be more objective and less biased.

Above a certain price level, the price of the speaker has no relation with its sound quality.


That's true of a lot of high end speakers. The Salon 2 is not one of those.
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#337972 - 02/11/11 11:06 AM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: BlueJays1]
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Registered: 07/28/10
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Originally Posted By: Dr.House
Neither the M60 or Salon 2 have rolled off highs.


Then the reviewer has a personal preference for rolled of highs, since he apparently had to toe out the M60's to tame them. I'm sure having the tweeters 12 inches above your ears like the Revels helps tame the highs and make it more forgiving / less affected by speaker toe in/out angle.
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