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To many people, Axioms are NOT bright. Since there are conflicting opinions, and since this alleged brightness has not been quantitatively demonstrated by scientific proof, this brightness can only be considered as alleged, i.e. "so declared, but without proof."

I have, in fact, seen graphs posted on this forum, which show a remarkably flat response, which can be taken as quantitative evidence that Axioms are not bright. Perhaps this brightness is in the ears of the beholders, thus enabling us to allege that their ears are bright, and not the speakers.

Doesn't it suck how imprecise language can be?

The incessant repetition of myths doesn't make them true. The bright amp/warm amp nonsense never seems to die even when faced with facts such as Joe described. It's been over 15 years since the $200 Pioneer receiver couldn't be distinguished in the Stereo Review blind tests from among other units the $6,000 pair of tube amps(infuriating some audiophiles, of course). Other blind tests have had similar results, but some otherwise intelligent individuals stubbornly continue to insist that the emperor has clothes, the earth is flat, etc. Clean power is cheap these days and receivers/amps with audibly flat response and inaudibly low noise and distortion are available at low cost.

I agree; to many people, Axiom speakers are not bright; however, that is why I said, "It is commonly known that there are many at the AVS Forum who think they are overly bright." Now, while the comments by the accusers can certainly be considered "alleged" since there is no "scientific proof," it still does not change the fact that there ARE many at the AVS Forum who think that Axiom speakers are overly bright.


I like that last comment man, hilarious!

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The incessant repetition of myths doesn't make them true. The bright amp/warm amp nonsense never seems to die even when faced with facts such as Joe described. It's been over 15 years since the $200 Pioneer receiver couldn't be distinguished in the Stereo Review blind tests from among other units the $6,000 pair of tube amps(infuriating some audiophiles, of course). Other blind tests have had similar results, but some otherwise intelligent individuals stubbornly continue to insist that the emperor has clothes, the earth is flat, etc. Clean power is cheap these days and receivers/amps with audibly flat response and inaudibly low noise and distortion are available at low cost.

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A clear case that ignorance is bliss! In that case, I would like to redirect you HERE brutha! Have fun shopping!

Oh my god . That site is funny. They need a shopping cart....

This is a pissing match, so, I can pee off a bridge farther then you all!

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there ARE many at the AVS Forum who think that Axiom speakers are overly bright

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Some Axiom speakers have a characteristic sound. Some call it "bright", others "forward", others "clear", etc.

That sound (whatever you call it) can be reliably identified from other speakers in double blind listening tests, at least in comparison so many speakers. I'd like to see a case where people can't identify Rocket vs Axiom speakers in a double blind test.

By contrast amplifiers CANNOT be identified in a controlled double blind test, even when there's $10,000 to win.

The fact that some Axiom speakers have a sound some call "bright" in no way alters the fact that amplifiers have NO identifiable unique sound when tested in a controlled double blind test, nor supports the false supposition that some amplifiers have a "bright" sound.

There's a difference between speakers and amps. Speaker differences can often be identified in a controlled double blind test. Amps cannot.

You don't see anybody offering $10,000 that people can't identify two different speakers (which they are allowed to choose). Speakers and amps are different and the fact speakers can be identified in double blind tests means nothing about amps.

Wait! So now you guys have gone from saying that Axiom speakers do not sound bright to conceding that they do? LMAO! Priceless!

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now you guys have gone from saying that Axiom speakers do not sound bright to conceding that they do? LMAO

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NO -- YOU have gone from claiming Onkyo amps are bright to talking about Axiom speakers. That is the change. It's called a diversion.

Virtually nobody here claims Axiom speakers don't have a distinctive sound -- ALL SPEAKERS DO. In fact most here agree there are audible differences between the Axiom M50 and M60 -- two different Axiom speakers.

The speaker debate regards PROPER WORDING to describe those differences --- NOT that they don't exist.

If speakers did not have a distinctive sound, they could not be identified in double blind tests. Call it bright, accurate, forward, neutral -- those are just subjective words. The correct adjectives can be debated. But the differences exist. At least we admit that.

Speakers generally sound different and can be identified in double blind tests.

Amps do not sound different and cannot be identified in double blind tests, even with $10,000 to win.

Whether certain Axiom speakers are best described "bright", "fresh", "clear", "crisp", etc. etc. is irrelevant to amps having no identifiable sound that endures a double blind test.