well thanks for the input wid n' quack. Im currently reading the audioholics vassallo link you supplied quack, thanks. Oh man, so I have 3 different totals on m80s/vp150/4xQs8/4xStands. factory outlet= 2,840. normal= 3,310. cherry-chestnut-semi(or high??)= 4,250. yoikes, decisions, decision, hehe. hey look, im already a regular!