Oh, I never realized that denon did not include the HD audio formats in there 'lower end' receivers... kind of a bummer.
The 3808 is a great receiver (currently one of the best in its price range in my opinion), but I have to admit if I was planning on spending $600 on a receiver there is a lot more competiton.
I have mentioned this several times as well: call 6ave.com and ask them over the phone how much there denons are (hell ask them for other brands as well.) They have been selling all of the denon receivers several hundred dollars below MSRP.
Edit: I am not sure if these deals apply to canada or not.
