I know what you mean eddieg. I have had my M60's a little over a week, and have had an awesome time going through my CD and DVD collection. Setting up for me only took about five minutes. I had first placed them in my wifes bedroom, but she said they were too big, so I unplugged my Martin Logans in my theater and set the M60's, VP-150, and QS8's in there. I first placed the M60's in the same exact spot as my Ascent's, but they seemd too far out into the room so I backed them up about a foot. The back of the M60's are 41" from the front wall, and the sides are 38" from the side wall. They are toed in pointing just behind the primary listening position, and I'm 11' back from the speakers. At first there was a rattling coming from the left M60, but a quick tightning of the screws for the 5"mid solved that problem. From then it's been extremely joyful to listen too. These are some incredible speakers for just about any price that I have heard, and they just keep getting better & better with everything I throw at them. I haven't even felt the need to hook my ML's back up, and have even considered just selling them keeping the M60 setup in my theater. I could go into detail comparing the M60 setup with the ML's, but for what the Ascents, Cinema, and Scenarios retail for there should be no comaprison at all. Luckily for me I got the ML's for 75% off retail. Still not sure what I'm going to do with the ML's, but the M60's/ VP150/ and QS8's have found a perminent home in my theater. I have them hooked up to 5 B&K Ref220M's, and Ref 30. They sound frikken remakable. The entire setup sounds frikkin remarkable, and I just cannot get over that the M60's only cost $800...SHIPPED! Anyway, I now know what everyone is raving about, and I now know that I do not have to spend a small fortune on "high end" speakers to get high end sound.