Ok, we're good, tks again guys. After much scratching of the cranium and overheating of remaining gray matter, I was able to combine your recommendations with the Denon Hyrogliphic Manual and am now listening to John Mellencamp in surround. The worst part was figuring out the left< and right> vs "enter" on the setups, by nature I keep using "enter" when I change a parameters, the arrows to me are confusing esp when looking for certain functions.

Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.