Hi Fred, you might want to check out Audio Video Unlimited , they carry Denon and Pioneer AVR's. I've dealt with them before and they gave me excellent deals on my 2809 + BD1800 as well as my Paradigm sub. Nobody came close on their pricing for either of these...their prices are not "final", you can dicker with them. Also, if you want to consider an HK, you might want to contact Telecity Electronics , they don't like to advertise their prices but when you go in person, they always seem to know what all the competitors are asking(they have a list of their prices I believe) and undercut them. I picked up my Samsung there at an excellent price. You could contact Kennedy HiFi, Kromer Radio, Bay Bloor Radio or East Hamilton Radio and see what they could do for you. Good luck.

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