I agree with Ray, I just recieved my Denon 884 (which is basically an 1804 (thanks John)) for $292 which included the 1 year extended warranty and the $6 handling fee. This thing is a beast. Keep in mind I am coming from a very entry level Sony STR DE 595. The 884 is still considerably bigger and heavier than my dad's 1604 which is also a very fine reciever by the way. My recommendation would be to go with a Denon reciever through ecost.