Radspecv - I think you might have missed an important point... Dakmart, and the others mentioned before are authorized resellers of Denon products. Dakmart is unique as they provide a full 1 years warranty on refurbs (units are fixed by denon like normal - Denon just bills Dak instead of you.) Could be wrong, but Ultimate Electronics isnt authorized right? That means you get NO warranty whatsoever. My 2 cents - jb