ok, i was looking at the hk refubs, and the 8000z is on for $898 us... i was wondering does this still have the fantastic bass management, and component upconversion that the new units have? if it does..then this is a definate purchase...if not, then ill go with the 435, and get a couple outlaw monoblocks in the future...

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Samsung HLS5087 DLP