Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion The Water Cooler Sure cure for the blues

Well I was feeling kind of blue from not winning the lottery. I kept fantasizing about what I would get if one of my numbers was picked. I was visualizing the the 80's or the 60's in the corners of the room. Don't get me wrong I did this for the charity but as you get closer and closer to the drawing y ou start getting your hopes up. So when my neither of nmy numbers came up I was kind of bummed to say the least. I just couldn't get the picture of the speakers standing in the corner. So last night I ordered the M60's.
As you know I was on the fence on the 60's or the 80's for a while. Most of you including Alan thought I would be OK with the 80's in my planned space. But I decided to go with the 60's. I may end up upgrading before the 30 days are up but after hearing squirrelyz's 60's I think they will
be plenty of speaker for me. Bray also is very happy with his 60's and his room set up sounds almost identical to mine. Sooo the speakers shipped today and they will probably arrive on Friday. A sure cure for the blues!
oz

Another photographer buys Axiom. I think we should get our own forum on this board.
We could call it the "darkroom" or "the studio".
Congrats on the purchase. Now the waiting begins.
Did you order from A stock or FO?

Bray
Had to go with A stock there was an 8 week wait for my color (Boston Cherry) at the factory outlet. I'm not that patient. I almost went with the 80's because there was only a 2 week wait for those. But I'm on vacation this week and I thought screw it I want to have a couple of days to play before going back to work.
oz

Bray
I like the sound of "the studio", but we want to be inclusive not exclusive. eh?
oz

I suppose it would be alright if other people droped buy.
#1 rule would be NO speaker wire threads.
#2 rule would have to be.................fill in the blank.

Alright, Oz! I'll be eagerly awaiting your thoughts. If you haven't already done so, figure out how to post photos, so we can see what you're enjoying.

Great way to cure the blues!

Will do Jack. I'll read up on posting photos and I'll see if I can get my hands on a digital camera. Not much point though. This is just stereo no home theater set up. I'm excited. They say the speakers should be here by Friday.
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Not much point though. This is just stereo no home theater set up

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Sure there is,some of us still enjoy a good stereo set up for our music.That includes me .Congrats on your new speakers.

Thanks wid! By the way I really like your avatar.
oz

Agreed. I have M60's in a stereo set up and love them to death.

Good choice, oz350z.

Merk
Thanks for the encouragement. I know the 60's are very popular around here. I just hope I don't start second guessing myself about not going for the 80's.
oz

oz
Unless you play tunes at completely deafening levels, the 60s will be fine.
I play mine loud, and they have alot more in them.

I agree with Bray, lately I've been testing my 60's to see what they can give me. Plenty loud for this old 80's metal head

Randy

60's 150 350 4-Qs8's
Denon 2805
Sanyo Z2 Projector
Panasonic S97s HDMI DVD
2.05:1 54" x 110" DIY screen

just for reference purposes. i like my 60's, as much as bray does..

bigjohn

Congratulations Oz on your new purchase!!

I have M60s too in a stereo only setup, and am very happy with their performance. Sooner or later, they will be part of my future HT as well.

Now, should I have gone for M80s, probably yes, even though have never heard them. They say, their sound is very similar, but M80s play louder, and I would assume "fuller" especially in a large room like mine. One thing I have learnt in this new hobby: more is never too much!

<<I would assume "fuller" especially in a large room like mine. One thing I have learnt in this new hobby: more is never too much! >>

The 60's are excellent speakers. I tried them. I love my 80s. Even in a smaller room.

Doug, apart from your earlier review, I have not been able to read anything else comparing M60s with M80s (only general statements on sound similarity). And, for as much as I can recall from yours, I only remember "louder" being mentioned. I would appreciate if you can shed some more light on the benefits you noticed from upgrading (or any links on previous comparisions in this forum).

Others, that have had the chance to try them both, plaese fill free to chime in.

bugbitten
<The 60's are excellent speakers. I tried them. I love my 80s. Even in a smaller room.>

How small a room have you tried the 80's in?
oz

Many of you have said that and I think that is what really made me choose the 60's. I heard them plenty loud at billy's when I went there. Although his room is a bit smaller than the one I plan on using. Generally I don't listen at volumns quite as loud as I used to but your always come across a track that says crank it up. The other reason I went with the 60's, and you guys may think this is crazy, I like the way they look. I know who cares how they look it's all about the sound. I also want the flexibility in the event I just keep them in the smaller room I'm in now which is 10 x 14.
I know I'll be happy with them. It's just the stupid crap that goes through my mind whenever I have to make a decision.
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I have M60s too in a stereo only setup, and am very happy with their performance. Sooner or later, they will be part of my future HT as well.

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Mine may eventuallly be incorporated into the full HT some day also. I have a Polk 6600 set which is ok for what it
is , but as we all have seen things change in this hobby.

Oz-
Rest easy. The 60's are incredible speakers. Don't let the "what-if's" get to you.... there comes a point of diminishing returns and I think you're already beyond it with the 60s so you're in the clear!

There will always be someone who says "bigger is better" and "more is more" but do you need Marshall-stack-type speakers in your room? Do you need 800-1200 wpc? Dual 15" subs in your room? After awhile, it all gets pointless and people forget about the music or movies that they're supposed to be enjoying.

This isn't a holier-than-others thread... I've thought about one step up in the sub department and replacing my cheap universal disc player with a nice Denon.... but my 60s in my 13' square room are more than enough in terms of power and delicacy!

You'll be happy when you squash that little nagging voice and I think you made an excellent decision!

Mark
I know your absolutely right about that. What is it that makes it so hard to quiet that little nagging voice anyway? I'm sure once I get them (Friday 4:30 ETA) and I start listening to my favorite CD's, all will be good.

It's funny I have three spots already set up to audition them in.
Bedroom (stereo)
Living room (stereo)
Family room (HT with the Polk center , surrounds and sub}

oz

another very happy m60 owner hear...i think i woulda went with the m80's but my current receiver cant handle 4ohms...and i dont have the $$$ to upgrade that for a while...qs8's first in september

Here's the link to 60 vs 80 - IMHO.

I am NOT knocking the 60's. Quite the contrary.

My listening area is 15 x 13.5 x 8. The 80s are on the 15 wall, 12 feet apart. My chair 10 feet in front.

The 60s were adequate for my room and they WILL be for yours. For the difference in the money, it was an easy choice to move up to their top of the line speaker.

I think you get more detail from the extra tweeter and mid-woofer. Normally I don't listen to the 80s any louder than I did the 60s. I can also crank them up and listen out in the sunroom or in the kitchen.

I listen to CDs on the 80s without the sub. Great speakers.

But you have to understand, I have the bug. My EP500 my turn into a EP600. I love the deep rumbles of the 500 and wonder about the 600. There's just the bigger dollar difference.

I've heard better speakers than Axioms, BUT none that I wanted to spend $10,000 on. I don't plan any other changes in my audio system other than maybe the 600.

I am a happy camper.

Now if they would just get the HD thing worked out!!!!

Your welcome Oz.I don't know how the 60s would compare to the 80s but knowing Axiom I'm sure you will be a happy camper.Enjoy

Well my M60's arrived yesterday afternoon. They arrived about 4 hours ahead of the estimated time.. That's pretty good considering I didn't place the order till after dinner on Tuesday evening. Of course when they arrived my grandson was in for his nap. His room is right above the room where I was setting them up. Once I got them out of the boxes and roughly in place I was ready to hear some music. He was still sleeping so I started with the volume very low. I played Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels" CD. It sounded pretty good at low levels. I say pretty good because it's hard to play L.W. and not turn up the volume so there was a bit of frustration. I took her off before the CD was over to opt for some soft jazz. I listened to Bill Evans "Live at the Village Vanguard" and some Cassandra Wilson "Blue light 'til Dawn. I like that the speakers deliver a full spectrum even a very low db's.

After my grandson awoke things started to get interesting. I raised the volume a good bit. It was still conversational level but enough for the speakers to bloom a little and attract a little attention. I played Madelyn Peroux, Bonnie Raitt, and
Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band. The speakers were clear and detailed. The voices sound amazingly clear and even Jerry sounded good. Later everyone had things to do and they left me alone. This was my chance. I dug out my re-mastered HDCD copy of King Crimson’s “In the court of the Crimson King”. I turned the volume up to about 50%. Holy canoli! when the band kicked in with 21st Century Schizoid Man I couldn’t believe how loud and clear the speakers were. Or so I thought.

It was during this CD that I started hearing a buzzing sound on certain low freq. notes. I mean the speakers seemed to be doing everything right but certain notes seemed to cause this buzzing sound. I decided I better take the grill covers off and check the drivers. While I was removing the grill covers my head was between the speaker and the armoire that holds my system and CD’s and the note hit and the buzzing it turns out was coming from the side panel of the armoire. I turned the speakers down to a more reasonable listening level and the cabinet still resonates on certain low notes. It’s not entirely based on volume although it is worse at loud volumes. It seems to be more about the resonant frequency of the cabinet panel. This kind of sucks but at least it is not coming directly from the speakers. I have experimented with moving the speaker further away to no avail. The speakers were in a room 12 x 14, on the short wall. Centered on that wall is the armoire with a speaker to each side. I decided to put the speakers on the long wall which would enable a little greater distance from the armoire. Same thing happens in this configuration. So I am going to have to devise some way to deaden that cabinet. It is not a loose panel in the frame. It’s tight but it is light weight so the whole panel vibrates. When I put my hand on it of course it stops. This is an antique piece so I have to take care in my approach.

Saturday morning I moved the speakers into the HT set up. This is an HK AVR310 rated at 50 watts X 5. Bigger room, sturdier cabinet and of course a sub. The receiver did a respectable job but I think in a room this size I could use a little more power. This is the 2 story 15 X 20 room opened on 2 sides. I listened to Annie Lennox live in Central Park. This is a very decent concert DVD for anyone that likes her sound. The speakers definitely benefit from a sub woofer. As most of you know I hopping to go to strictly a stereo set up no sub. Many advised to get the 80’s for that, which is still a possibility. I didn’t watch any films because that is not what I got these speakers for. I’ll probably do that today though just for grins since they are in the HT set up. After that I think I will bring the HK 665 into the mix in the larger room and see what the speakers sound like in a large room more power to them. I’ll keep you posted.

Other listening…
Pink Floyd “Dark Side of the Moon”
Richard Thompson “Rumor and Sigh”
Beethoven’s Symphony # 9
All I can say about these is WOW (just like the recent review of the 80’s)

Thanks for reading!
oz

Congrats on the new system... and a great "first light" report.

For the buzzing armoire, is it possible to stop the buzz by placing your hand on the panel from the inside ? If so, could you jimmy up something like a brick or dumbell weight wrapped in thin foam and put it on a shelf INSIDE the armoire as a short term fix ?

I deal with "the little voice" by turning the stereo up a little louder. That has allowed me to remain very happy with my system in its current form

John
Yeah... when Iput my hand on the panel from either side it stops the buzzing. I'll use your idea until I can figure out a more permanent fix. Any object pressed against it seems to work. While I was listening I just leaned a folding chair against it and that stopped it. Didn't look great but hey. I'll figure something out. Thanks for your idea for the short term fix.
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This is the 2 story 15 X 20 room opened on 2 sides. {{SNIPPED}} The speakers definitely benefit from a sub woofer. As most of you know I hopping to go to strictly a stereo set up no sub. Many advised to get the 80’s for that, which is still a possibility.

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Oz:
If I'm understanding the situation correctly, I don't think going to the 80s would make much difference. They only go a bit deeper and a little louder. I think a room with as much cubic feet of volume as you have would not be filled with any full-range floorstander, and a sub will be necessary. It's simple physics of trying to move enough air for satisfying bass in an area with many cubic feet of air vs. a smaller amount of cubic feet in a more typical room.

Great review though!

With a room of 15x20,if he were to have 8' ceilings then he is getting into the area of a large room ( 2400 cubic ft. ).Seeing the the room is open on both sides I wouldn't discount the M80s being better suited for a 2 channel system.

I told my wife that I was afraid that maybe the 60's would not work out as well in the bigger room but that I had gotten them because I wanted the flexibility if I decided to move into one of the smaller rooms. Her response was "They are so cheap if they don't work out just get the other pair or something else." She wasn't talking about sending back the 60's for the 80's She meant keep both. You gootta love her. So maybe these will migrate into the HT and the 80's will come later.
oz

You're a lucky man I tell ya .I was in no way saying the 60s are not suited for a 2 channel system.I am saying that maybe,just maybe the 80 are better suited for your needs.

I understand wid's point. In the big room with just 70 watts per channel the speakers sound plenty loud. (Earlier I said 50 watts but that is for 5.1) They just seem a little thin, if that's a good word. It's really hard to explain. The speakers are loud enough and they are crystal clear. It just seems like something is missing that wasn't in the smaller room. They don't seem to have the same dynamics. They are not bad by any stretch of the imagination. I have also come to a realization. I have always told my wife, it's not that I like the music that loud . It's just that my speakers inefficiencccy makes me play it that loud to get the full dynamics of the recorded sound. I truely believed this myself. Well that is total BS. I like my music loud. When it reaches a certain level music can just carry me away. It's never too late to learn something new about youself. Now I'm going to try the speakers in the bedroom system.
Cheers,
oz

Congratulations Oz on your new purchase!!! Consider it as a home trial!!!

For your big room, I think that you probably need to get a better amp. (and yes, I would strongly suggest separates). At least a 100 wpc two channel amp. It will give M60s the punch or "oomph" that you lack now. My Rotel RB-1080 is 200 wpc at 8 Ohms, in a 24x20x9 room. I can tell you from my experience with them and Rotel gear I have had and have. Again, more power does not ONLY mean louder, it means better.

Me too, I like to listen to my music loud.

As for the sub, I can't tell you a lot, since I don't have one. However, many say it is very important, even in a stereo setup. I still have to wait before I have one.

Man you need to try some M80s with that big ass Rotel amp you have.If you like it loud I think you would be amazed on what you hear.

I get that power from Outlaw M200s.

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Man you need to try some M80s with that big ass Rotel amp you have.If you like it loud I think you would be amazed on what you hear.

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Isn't it too late now? I can't get M80s without losing a lot of money. Is the difference worth all that money? I doubt it... M60s are just as good.

I have been looking into Outlaw, Anthem, Parasound Halo etc. I have read in other threads that you are happy with the Outlaws. Now that you have had them for a while does that still hold true.
oz

We are thinking of changing all the rooms around. The big room where the HT is would become the music/game room where the stereo would go (Harmon Kardon 665xi 150watts x 2 channels). That is what I plan to power the M60's with no matter where they end up. The smaller room I mentioned would become the office/computer room. The current office (where I am typing this now)would become the new home theater room because it has doors on it and we would be able to somewhat cut it off from the rest of the house. When I tested the speakers in the larger room I just brought them in and hooked up to the existing speaker lines which go to the HK 310 70watts x 2. I didn't want to have to break everything down this weekend. I have 30 days. I think next weekend I will pull the HK 150 watt unit out of the little room and test the speakers again in the big room with more power. Right now I think I have all the power I need. If I were going to use the M60's in HT set up (not planned at this time) I would have to use the HK665 as a pre amp with the HK310 and run the 60's off that and let the 310 run the rest of the set up or I would have to look into new gear. I wouldn't mind a Halo A21 for the two channel duties and a Halo A52.for the HT.

I tried the speakers up in the bedroom through a vintage AR power amp (not sure I think it is 60 x2) they sounded very nice on that system and in that room. I was very happy to see that the speakers are efficient enough for the old AR to drive. This amp is not very powerful but it is built like a tank very quiet and very clean sound. In it's day it was highly regarded. I'm pretty sure even today (if you can find one) they are going for good money on the used market. Very har to find though. There is not much information on it. I can't even find a model # on it it just says AR. Right now the speakers are back in the little room. I think I have taken care of the cabinet resonance but I have not had a chance to test that out. The furniture for the office has been ordered so once it comes we will be able too start switching things around.

As for your comment on the sub. I think once you start using one it is hard to give them up. I put a custom stereo in my z and I built a box that is beautifully integrated into the design of the car.(if I do say so myself ) So I have gotten used to the sound of music with a sub and it is hard giving up those lf's. I was told once (I have no idea if this is true) that in a full orchestral recording a sub woofer improves the reproduced sound of 27 instruments. Keep in mind this was in reference to car audio where the common set up is a 6 1/2 in driver and 3/4 to 1 in tweeter. I don't usually pass things on if I don't know they are true, but someone in car audio told me this.
oz

I enjoy reading your posts Oz, they are always thorough and full of information.

That is the beauty of having a house with many rooms and different audio/video setups. Below is a dream of mine ;-)

Have M60s in my future home basement (it is a basement I built myself with all acoustic treatment and all) in my all-Axiom HT.
Have M80s in a stereo setup in my living room with my existing Rotel stereo combo. Why not some B&W 703. They sounded so good any time I visited my Rotel dealer, but they cost 3k.

Again, this is just a dream. For now I have to enjoy my nice stereo system and yak HTIB in my one bedroom apartment where I live with my soon-to-be wife.

By the way Oz, if you like a power amp built like a rock, look no further: Rotel.

thyname
thanks for the comments. Sometimes I feel like I go on and on. Does anyone really want to hear this stuff?

I have done a lot of research on Rotel. Most of the reviews and personal experiences (others not mine) are very positive. I also think their products really look great too. Hopefully my stuff will hold a up a little longer. I still have more spreakers to get before I can think about replacing the electronics.


It's funny you mention B&W 703's I was very interested in them and wanted to test them before making my decision. But I got tired of waiting and in a weak moment I ordered the 60's. My friend Tom who is an audiophile for many years went to a HT specialty place this past weekend. He told me he listened to 3 different models of B&W speakers including the flagship model. He was not impressed at all. He said the 60's are much more transparent and accurate. Made me feel good about my decision. I asked him if the 703's were one of the ones he listened to. Aside from the flagship pair he couldn't tell me the model numbers. But he said they all sounded wooly to him.
I guess everybody is looking for something different. After that latest review on the 80's you might want to just go with them and leave all the expensive stuff to the fat cats.

Congratulations to you and your fiancee'. Have you set the date? I like your dream. Remember without dreams we would wither on the vine. Make it happen!

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Sometimes I feel like I go on and on. Does anyone really want to hear this stuff?

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Of course yes, this is the reason I am here, to learn as much as possible from other people's experiences.

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Congratulations to you and your fiancee'. Have you set the date?

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October 10.

As for the B&W, I had a chance to listen to them a lot at my Rotel dealer. B&W and Rotel have a retail agreement in USA and they are always coupled. I did not care as much for 6xx series (too laid back for me) but I liked 703s. I did not care a lot for Nautilius series as they were way above my price range for that time. Again, I would say that 703s and M60s are very close in sound.

Wow! That's right around the corner.
Best,
oz

Still very happy. Quiet, cool power.

I think they are still free freight for 2 or more.

The itch did not stop, and I called Axiom a while ago today. The nice person at the other end of the line told me that I would not hear any difference in sound going from 60s to 80s for my conditions (I explained him my room, gear etc. in detail), unless I had them running in 350 wpc power amp.

I have to admit, this was what I wanted to hear, and I will gladilly hold on for now, saving my money, and enjoying my M60s.

I think whomever you spoke to was trying to allay your fears. There has to be some difference in sound between the two. Just the cabinet size alone would make some difference. Plus it has two more drivers and an extra port. What I think he might have meant was that their would not be "that much" difference between the two in your particular application.


Thanks for passing that on though. I appreciate it.

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and an extra port

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They both have three ports.

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unless I had them running in 350 wpc power amp.

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Your Rb 1080 is not far from 350 watts.Pushing a 4 ohm load it is reported to be 300 watts plus.

Of course your right. I stand corrected.
oz

Hey Oz, how are your M60s going? Have you found a final spot to place them? Let us know your impressions now after several days from having them.

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Hey Oz, how are your M60s going? Have you found a final spot to place them? Let us know your impressions now after several days from having them.

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Well this Saturday morning I changed things around. I set up the 60's in the
large room which is where I'm hoping to keep them after we get renevated and the new office furniture in place. This puts the speakers flanking either side of a stacked stone fireplace. It also places the speakers right in front of two windows. Below the windows are two floor vents. Since I do not want the speakers too close to the vents they have to be about 14 to 18 inches off the wall. I was a little concerned about not getting enough bass being so far off the wall. Actually this was not the case at all. There are medium weight full length drapes on the windows. These are usually left open because our lot is very private and we like to let as much light in as possible. The speakers sit about 8.5 ft apart from each other. When the room is final I will be able to get them 10 to 11 feet apart. But I figure 10 will probably be fine. Right now I cannot achieve that because the entertainment center is in the way. Sitting about 10 ft away from the speakers I felt the sound stage was pretty good. I just would like to be able to pick up that extra foot or foot and a half. With my old HK 150 watt rms 2 channel amp driving them they are plenty loud when the dial is set about 50% or 12:00. The sound was clear and much to my surprise there was plenty of bass support even at 18 inches from the wall. The bass was full and not the least bit boomy. I tried listening both with the drapes opened and closed. I felt like I liked the sound better with them closed but that could just be what my expectation was because I can't say I was actually hearing any difference. One problem I found was if I put the amp up to 60% or around 1:00 position I got some kind of distortion. It sounded like a clacking sound. I suspect that would be from exceeding the drivers maximum excursion. I not sure about this. If anyone has any ideas I'd like to hear them.
It might have been some extreme lows in the source material I'm not sure but I quickly lowered back to 50% and the speakers sounded clear as a bell again. I do not think this was the amp clipping. I don't think that would happen at 60 or 65% but I'm new to this kind of thing. I know with the old Bose 901's I used to turn the amp up to 75 percent somtimes because they were so inefficient and I would not notice any clipping. The other thing I found strange about this is when I did my first weekend of testing in the smaller room I'm almost positive I turned the amp to that level and did not hear that clacking sound. If anyone can shed some light please do. Don't get me wrong the speakers sounded great. I can't really see going up to that level I just had to try and see. I now know what everyone meant by the fact that in a room that size I could probably go with the 80's but I think the 60's will do the job and if I should ever decide to add a sub I think the sound will be killer. I could go with the 80's just to have a little more head room, but right now I'm leaning towards keeping the 60's. I really like the way they look better than the 80's anyway.(irrational I know)

I tested plenty of classical this weekend I was especially blown away by the CD "Message" by Peteris Vasks
also
some Trad. jazz
accoustic, folk, reggae and of course plenty of rock
Oh did I mention I didn't get much else done this weekend

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What I think he might have meant was that their would not be "that much" difference between the two in your particular application.

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I agree.

I can switch back and forth between my 60s and 80s that are parked right next to one another other using the exact same gear and can certainly tell a difference, and it's not *just* how loud they go either. The 60s are certainly great speakers but to me the 80s have that little bit of 'whoa!' factor that sets them apart, making them really awesome speakers....this is only *my* humble opinion though.

Congrats Oz....you'll be darn happy with your choice!

Great post Oz as always, glad that you find your M60s to your liking. I wish I would know the answer to your problem though. I have never noticed such with my system. I usually keep my volume level at my Rotel RC-1070 at 9-10 o'clock, as it already so loud. I have tried at 12" and it is sooooo loud without any distortion of any kind. I can only keep it there for up to ten seconds, as it painfully loud, and my nighbors would start calling the police.

I have my speakers exactely 18" from the wall. I have experienced a lot, and this is where the bass level seems to optimal for me. However, I have them only 6.5' apart, because of space limitations (a couch is in the way).

One more thing Oz: PICTURES!!!!

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I can switch back and forth between my 60s and 80s that are parked right next to one another

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this begs the question why do you have both the 60's and 80's right next to each other? I assume this was just during a testing phase?
oz

No I believe it was Bugbitten who did the test between the two whenever he was upgrading. I upgraded not too long after I bought my 60s and decided to keep them rather than send them back. Right now I'm not using the 60s, I have a Rotel RB 1080 2 ch amp connected to my H/K 635 to run the 4 ohm 80s as the front mains in a 5.1 setup and *had* the plans of using the 60s as rears in 7.1 whenever I finished my room addition...I don't have the room right now for a 7.1 system. I did play around with the 60s and the 80's using both the Rotel as power and straight through the H/K awhile back just to see the difference.

Whenever the room gets finished here soon I'm actually going to get another set of 80s for the 7.1 along with some more power and another processor using the 60s in another part of the house (bedroom) and will use the H/K.

Yep, I'm just as wishy washy now as I was the day I recieved my 50s that I never unboxed because I immediately upgraded to the 60s!

With everything going on at my place pictures would probably create more questions than answers. This weekend I am putting hard wood floors in my dining room. I had to empty the room this past weekend to pull up the carpeting and foam to get ready. I will try to get all the prep work done little by little each night after work so we are ready to go on Saturday. All of my furniture is all over the place to make room to do the work. Once the floor is in we will start changing the other tree rooms around. The office furniture is supposed to be here in 3 or 4 weeks. Then we can get serious and see if this plan is gonna fly.
I will try to get some decent pictures in the meantime.
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Then we can get serious and see if this plan is gonna fly.

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Believe me, once the bug bites....it's gonna fly!

Are you still testing your 60's or have you made your choice? I was also curious to know how many watts your Rotel is delivering to the 60's?
oz

No actually I'm going to keep the 60s, I believe they will make for an awesome stereo package in either the bedroom or another room in the house. I've had the 60s and 80s for several months now, I got them sometime back in the winter.

With the 8 ohm load the Rotel RB 1080 will put out 200 wpc, the 80s and their 4 ohm load increases the wpc to 300. Both the 60s and the 80s sounds real sweet with this amp.

Tooo much!
But I gotta tell you I like your style. I can also see more Axioms in my future. I was thinking of slowly replacing the Polk 6600 system bit by bit with with a HT consisting of either 22's or 60's. There are an infinite # of possibilities.
oz

Sorry! I was aiming that question at Thyname. I though he might still be under the 30 day trial period. Funny you both are running the Rotel units. I love their stuff. It looks great A little pricey though.
oz

I'm in the same boat you are. I'm in the middle of installing hardwood flooring and about 2 weeks from moving in. I've had my speakers for 3 weeks now and only listened to the 80's and the VP150 for a short period of time. The QS8's and EP500 are still in the box. It's killing me but it would be pointless to try and set it all up in the small room I'm in now.......... Patience grasshopper

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There are an infinite # of possibilities.

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There ceratinly are, that's for sure! I've got a few more months of this and no more upgrades with the A/V stuff for me.
A friend borrowed our boat several months ago and his son completely totaled the thing whenever he hit a piling at full speed so at the moment we are out of a boat, wife already told me by this time next year we better have another boat so my A/V upgrading and buying will history then...so I have to hurry up and get it all out of the way!

I own M60s for four months now, and I (thought) made my choice.... However.... this bug...I can't stop thinking about some M80s instead. Too late???!!!

I second Rick's RB-1080, they deliver 200 wpc at 8 ohm. Great amp for the price (msrp 1000)

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It looks great A little pricey though.

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Oz, actually the Rotel stuff is by many considered one of those 'best bang for the bucks' gear and compared to many other equipment is quite reasonable, one of the reasons I went with Rotel.
Kind of like the Axioms and thier 'best bang for the bucks' reputition.

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I own M60s for four months now, and I (thought) made my choice.... However.... this bug...I can't stop thinking about some M80s instead. Too late???!!!

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Hi there Skerdi, haven't talked with you in a while!

Hi Rick, I have been around here almost every day. How is it going?

My M60s never showed any kind of distortion - even at full volume from my Denon/Onkyo combo. The clacking sound must be one of those loose wire issues behind the driver.

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Hi Rick, I have been around here almost every day. How is it going?

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Pretty good man, been busy as heck with work and haven't had the time to get on here much at all...so happened it rained very hard yesterday and knocked us out of work today, and I'm not complaining!

BigWill2, I've never had any issues with my 60s. I really do like them.

No insurance?

Insurance?

I think Oz was referring to the boat your friend's son just crashed. I'm assuming he is gonna repair it or will insurance take care of it?

Yes the boat was insured, the young man was fatally injured so my wife and I haven't been in too much of a boating mood this year.

Oh man... I'm so sorry. That is terrible. One of those times when words fail.
oz

Bigwill
Is there a thread that refers to that problem that I should search out? Is that a problem that others have had?
thanks
oz

Thanks Oz, I try to let this be a lesson for those whom like to add alcohol with their operation of motor vehicles, wether it be on the land or on the water. The young man didn't have either mine nor his father's (as far as I know) permission to use the boat. Makes for a bad situation all around, especially whenever anybody who knows me knows that as much as I like my Bud Light I have always been extremely strict regarding alcohol on the boat, in the plane and in the car...and my friend knew this!

Such is life. I have another friend who lost a relative whenever he smacked his jet ski into the side of his buddy's boat weekend before last as they were mixing up alcohol and boating...these fellows were all paramedics and firemen.

oz

I had the problem bigwill refers to with one of my 60's. Play something that has the imperfect sound .. .try to pinpoint, by placing your ear close to each individual driver, which driver is causing the noise . . .then remove the driver and check on the connectors at the back of the speaker. Sometimes they can be just a bit loose. I tightened the connectors for the midrange driver on one of my 60's and voila. . .the problem was solved.

Thanks for the tip. I have not been able to reproduce the problem a second time. If it reappears I will check the connections. I think it may have been the source material. I can't remember what I was listening to when it happened. Right now all is good.
Thanks,
oz

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I can't remember what I was listening to when it happened.

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Old age! Been there; done that.

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Been there

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Jack,in case you have forgotten....................You are there

OH NO! I've reached the stage where I forget that I've forgotten.

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“Age is a question of mind over matter. If you don’t mind, it doesn’t matter.”
—Satchel Paige

“Grow old along with me!
The best is yet to be.
The last of life, for which the first was made.”
—Robert Browning, “‘Rabbi Ben Ezra”

“Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul.”
—Samuel Ullman

“For age is opportunity no less
Than youth itself, though in another dress,
And as the evening twilight fades away,
The sky is filled with stars invisible by day.”
—Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, “Morituri Salutamus,” 1875

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Those are great quotes, Rick. When I read that Robert Browning quote I started singing the John Lennon song of the same name. That one's gonna be stuck in my head now. . .