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I'm putting together my HT set-up, and I'm trying to decide what to get. Do I go with the M22's or are the M60's worth twice the money. I will be matching either speakers to a HSU VTF-2 sub, with the VP150 center and the QS8 surround.

I want the best 2-channel and surround sound I can get out of my speaker set-up. My HT room is 13x16x8. Are the M60's really going to give me much more on the low end compared to the M22's, keeping in mind I'll have a sub for either set-up. Or should I take the money saved on the M22's and put it towards a good uni (DVD-A/SACD) DVD player?

So I think I have the space for the M60's. My only concern is will I really be missing some great sound by going with the M22 instead of the M60.

i've been in contact with you before, and the invitation still stands. sounds like you might have buyers'remorse if you don't get the 60's. come listen before you buy.
dan

I know lots of people here say, "Get the M22s and a good sub", but IMHO the bass from a sub isn't the same as that from good tower speakers. I use a sub with my M60s and get bass which is both low and articulate. The sub alone (an EP350) couldn't possibly do such a good job of handling ALL of the bass. The sub just isn't as good as the smaller drivers in the M60 at those higher frequencies.

That may be true BillWill, but as you said, you have the M60's and still have a sub. I think you'll get a better sounding setup with M22ti's and a Hsu sub, than you will the M60's alone, no?

Unless you're in a really big room, budget wise it just seems to make more sense to go the M22/sub route than the M60/sub route.

I have M22s with Hsu VTF-2, VP150, QS4s in my setup. My room is just a bit smaller than yours. This combo sounds wonderful, both for 2 channel and especially for HT. I find it hard to believe that the 60s can match the VTF-2 for HT effects. Music - maybe the 60s would be better, but suspect not for HT.

What I meant was: M60s w/ a sub would be better than M22s w/ a sub (that was a brilliant post), not that M60s produce bass comparable to that of a subwoofer. Obviously $ could be a factor, but I would rather spend $ on my mains than a sub. Costco has a KLH sub for $100. I'm sure it sucks in comparison, but if all you need is a little bass accent and the occasional boom, wouldn't that do for now?

Heck yeah...if you've got the money and the space, get a Hsu AND the M60's. But if money is an issue (it is for most of us!) I say M22 and Hsu VTF-2.

I had a cheap Yamaha YST-SW60 subwoofer for nearly 10 years. When I made the jump to my VTF-2, it was like night and day. Personally I would rather go without a sub, than buy a cheap one again.

Though if you've got $100 to blow, it might be fun to get yourself used to a crappy sub, and then buy a Hsu. The difference is astonishing! Music is WONDERFUL with my Hsu, the Hsu really disappears. It honstly sounds like if have full range coming from my little M22's - and the HT punch is just fun.

Some friends were over watching the new T2 dvd the other day...when the first shotgun blast went off, you could feel it hit you. It was really fun!

Gaah! Ick ick ick ick.

No offense, but I would hesitate to use such a crappy sub with any speakers. I'd rather have quality of bass (use M60s, no sub) until I could afford a sub.

What? KLHs aren't any good? I heard they're made in China by the same guys who put together Rockets. I was thinking about getting 5 of them to replace my EP350.

Hmm...I WAS joking, but actually that might be pretty cool for some movie effects. Anybody actually ever hear one of those KLH subs?

BigWill has a good point. The bass from a sub isn't the same as from good towers. In fact, it's not even close in a large room. (My experience is comparing the M22ti to the M60ti in a large room with a 10" subwoofer crossed over appropriately for each speaker). The bass from the M60s is much tighter, and gives much more presence and dynamic range than bookshelf speakers + a sub could ever hope to reproduce in a large space.

That being said, room size and budget are big considerations. If you're in a small to moderately-sized room and/or on a strict budget, an excellent bookshelf (such as the M22s) + a good sub may be more appropriate. If you're in a large room and you already have a sub, then the floor standing speakers are certainly the way to go if you are willing to pay the price differential.

In short, it's not a one-size-fits-all solution, but depends on your room size and budget.