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#128058 - 02/12/06 12:23 PM new m60s question regarding live music & treble?
sotwell Offline
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I just got my m60s in this weekend and love them. I have been listing to all kinds of disks running through my Denon 3801 with treble and bass set to 0. I listen to a lot of live (mainly soundboards of Widespread Panic, i have over 300 shows) and wanted to know if you guys turn up your treble. I have read that most everyone leaves treble and bass on 0 but do you ever turn it up. Do you just let you ears decide depending on the disk?

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#128059 - 02/12/06 12:41 PM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & trebl
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On the system here, both were set at 0 and have never been changed, my opinion is it is one of those things you let your ears decide.
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#128060 - 02/12/06 12:59 PM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & treble?
bugbitten Offline
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Assuming you have calibrated your system, you then make the music sound any way you like if you want to.

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#128061 - 02/12/06 01:18 PM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & trebl
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I have found; Ok, works for me anyway, that if I set up my receiver in a way that sounds "right" and get used to it for a while in "strero", then set my receiver to unmodified "direct" mode(where it really sounds "thin")and listen to it that way for a bit, that when I go back to "stereo" for the enhanced set-up, that it then sounds artificial, and I find that I can turn the EQ and tone controls back a bit toward neutral.

Eventually after going through this cycle a few times, I find a point where, for me anyway, the sound is pretty much what I'm listening for!

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#128062 - 02/12/06 02:49 PM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & trebl
2x6spds Offline
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Does your 'direct' mode cut out the subwoofer?

Which receiver are you using? Oh, is it an Onkyo 602? Direct should pass through the signal without processing. Maybe you don't like the sound quality of the Onkyo internal amps.


Edited by 2x6spds (02/12/06 02:51 PM)
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#128063 - 02/12/06 03:34 PM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & trebl
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Actually, I like both the sound of the speakers and the sound of the Onkyo. It's the sound that resides in my memory and the room that the speakers reside in that's the problem!!

I want my M3s, in my OLD, smaller listening room rather than M50s in my new larger acousticaly challenged(but getting better)listening room!!

(....what I really want is M3s with tubes in a smaller "music only" room, but that's another story)

If I set the Onkyo to replicate what I "Think" I want to hear, it comes out too warm and artificial, not "Tuby" but mushy and a bit muffled.(I prefer a somewhat warmer sound than the majority of folks here.)So I've found that by switching back and forth between what I think I want to hear, with what the amps will give me with whatever EQing I toss in. And the pure sound of unmodified straight through signal, the difference becomes obvious and I'm able to more easily dial in what sounds "right"

It took a few attempts, but it sounds just about right, right about now!

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#128064 - 02/12/06 09:43 PM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & treble?
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I never mess with the Tone controls.
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#128065 - 02/13/06 12:32 AM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & trebl
danmagicman7 Offline
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I messed around with the tone controls and equalizers on my computer. When I had the equalizer on and didn't realize it (in iTunes). I was saying to my self, "Wow, these speakers are starting to sound awful. The high end is really harsh." Then, I flipped off the equalizer. Huge difference. Any equalizing you do should be done in very small increments, if at all. However, it is up to you how you like your music. Keep in mind that hi-fi speakers are designed to not need an equalizer. An equalizer is only really necessary on the dinky computer speakers or cheaper headphones unless your room is really making the sound sound bad.
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#128066 - 02/13/06 12:27 PM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & trebl
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I agree with Dan on this one. When I first got my Denon 2805, after setup with the mic/calibration, I left the Room EQ settings from the setup turned on, but my 60's had to much midrange. As soon as I turned off the EQ alterations, they sounded like utopia.
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#128067 - 02/13/06 06:10 PM Re: new m60s question regarding live music & treble?
sotwell Offline
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Registered: 02/04/06
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I agree with most of you guys and I have no desire or need to turn either Treble or Bass for the tone controls, but the question is for someone listing to live soundboard disks. I am an avid Widespread Panic fan and you can download FLAC files from there shows but the quality is great on average speakers where you can really hear the faults on the M60s. Anyone else out there listening to a lot of live music? How do you play yours?

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