Crossover Question With Crappy Sub
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I have M-22s and an Onkyo receiver paired with the original subwoofer that came with the Onkyo HTIB 6.1 set-up. The sub does a lot of muddy bass rumbling but doesn't do punch at all. So my question is about the science of where to set the crossover point. I can choose 60, 80, 100, 120, or 150.
I'm thinking if the sub sucks, that I want to let it do as little as possible, so does that mean the crossover should be set lower at 60? And does that mean, ideally, that the M22's will do the work down to 60 and then the sub takes over?
And if I wanted the sub to do more work and take over more frequencies I would raise the crossover point?
I know it may not be this simple and I can't really tell too much difference in the sound but would like to know why I'm doing what I'm doin'.
Thanks
Larry
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The M22s don't reach too low, so if you set the sub crossover too low you may leave a gap in the response. If it sounds that bad, don't use the sub. I bad sounding sub will sound bad no matter the crossover. Sell it and buy a better one!
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With my M22's, I have the sub (a small Yamaha YST-SW215) crossed over at about 65-70 and I have the volume turned up a little over half way. It sounds pretty even and punchy this way. It seems like anything above those settings results in boomy and separated bass which doesn't mesh well with the speakers.
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Sonic, you have me confused when you say 65-70 on your crossover. I would assume you would be using the crossover settings in your Denon AVR, so you would not want to use the Yamaha's sub knob. You would want to turn it all the way clockwise to get it out of the way, or use the "bypass" selection if it has one...
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Larry; From what I know and what I think I know, I think what you know and what you think you know.....is right! You have a good understanding(I think)of what's going on; just have to bring the equipment level up to the level of your understanding!! Yeah.....me too. Rich.
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Quote:
With my M22's, I have the sub (a small Yamaha YST-SW215) crossed over at about 65-70 and I have the volume turned up a little over half way. It sounds pretty even and punchy this way. It seems like anything above those settings results in boomy and separated bass which doesn't mesh well with the speakers.
I have a similar situation: If I try to cross at 80......and I've tried, so help me I've tried so many times! But in my sucky room it absolutely STINKS!!
...anyway.
Yeah, I have to cross at 60 or the sub jumps up and says "I'm here! Here I am!!" And that's with the volume set down low enough that the first question is "is the sub even on?" until something intense happens......!! oh, there is a sub.....and a pretty big one.
But sometimes the audio Gods smile on some of us unprepared and naive individuals and give us M50s and M3s where the x-over can be set down to 60hz and we can get away with it.
Yup, guess the bottom line is to take what we got and make it sound the best we can.
It's fun. Rich.
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Sonic, you have me confused when you say 65-70 on your crossover. I would assume you would be using the crossover settings in your Denon AVR, so you would not want to use the Yamaha's sub knob. You would want to turn it all the way clockwise to get it out of the way, or use the "bypass" selection if it has one...
The M22's are powered by a Rotel RA-01 integrated amplifier (my bedroom system). It has no crossover settings on it's own. Sorry to sound confusing!
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Great info as usual. VERY much appreciate the time to answer. I know the answer is a new sub but now I think I know what I didn't think I knew before asking those who know they don't know - I think.
Thanks again
Larry
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