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Re: Stunning Recordings
JohnK #388558 01/18/13 07:35 AM
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I've heard it...still a classic. BTW, the Shostakovich 10th (and 5th) you've requested is a later recording than the one I mentioned which he recorded when he was conductor of the Halle some years back. So many versions of recordings we've discussed can be found on Rhapsody for $5.00 per month. In fact I was very surprised that some of the most interesting and recently released recordings are on that site and it is so cheap! One example is the new "complete" Bruckner 9th with Rattle and the Berlin Philharmonic. Apparently, according to the reviewers in Gramophone magazine, this is the definitive complete Bruckner 9th around. But then again, Skrowaczewski is a master of Bruckner and his 9th (the traditional 3 movement version) with the Minnesota Orchestra on "Reference" is masterful with fantastic sound and to me absolutely the best version around. The 2 symphonies by Shostakovitch you've requested are also on Rhapsody, as is the Shipway version of his 10th. I was able to hear a few minutes of the beginning of the Shipway 10th today while at work. I was impressed with what I heard. His tempo seems to be a little faster than most others...I enjoyed it and look forward to hearing the whole symphony in one sitting. Shipway's Mahler 5th and Mehta's 5th with the LAPO are also there....Cheers...Lee

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Re: Stunning Recordings
Captain4105 #388559 01/18/13 08:47 AM
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Haven't received the Skrowaczewski CDs yet, of course, but I do note from the Amazon images that the IMP issue you referred to has the same playing time of 51'37" as the 10th(1990 recording)on the 2-disc set.


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JohnK #388591 01/19/13 05:45 AM
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Ah, I see. After reading further info on the double CD issue, it is stated that the "Halle Concert Arts Society" reissued the original IMP release. This is a good thing, now it will be an apple to apple comparison of our impressions of the interpretation. Some negotiation must have occurred with IMP (or whoever has the recording rights). Maybe the Halle Society will be able to manage to reissue some of the excellent Barbirolli recordings with the Halle.

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Captain4105 #388654 01/22/13 04:23 AM
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Picked up the CDs and listened to the Skrowaczewski 10th straight through first and then began switching quickly between it, Karajan and Shipway at various points. On sound, I'd rank them Shipway, Skrowaczewski, Karajan, although as I said, the Karajan sound is quite satisfactory in surround.

As to interpretations, I thought that Skrowaczewski was a bit less violent in "Stalin", where I liked Shipway best. Attempting to pick movements I liked best, I favored Karajan in 1 and 4 and Shipway in 2 and 3. Although Skrowaczewski wasn't my favorite for any particular movement, it certainly is a fine performance that leaves a good impression overall.

Shipway and Karajan are in my first grouping and I'd add Skrowaczewski to Jarvi and Petrenko as runners-up.


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JohnK #388655 01/22/13 05:06 AM
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I'll listen to the Shipway. If the rest of the symphony is as good as the first few minutes I heard, then I think it will be a stand-out. I have yet to hear Petrenko's, but it received great reviews and people seem to like it. BTW, I have Mehta's Mahler 2nd on a DVD-A with the Israel Phil. It seems to have received very fine reviews. Unfortunately I cannot yet hear it in surround since I don't yet own an up-to-date receiver, but I am getting close to making a decision. In stereo the sound is rather poor (I think that is due to the mixing for DVD-A, and it is also issued separately in pure stereo, which will most likely is much better, frustrating!). But his interpretation did sound consistent with the VPO recording and I am likely to buy the Decca Legends issue because the performance is better, more precise and with a superior orchestra. How was the Shostakovich 5th? I've only heard his ultra dry Mercury recording with the Minneapolis Symphony recorded 50 years ago.

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Captain4105 #388656 01/22/13 06:29 AM
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Okay, just listened to the 5th now. I prefer a little quicker tempi, especially in the final movement. My favorites are the first Bernstein and Jarvi.

Actually the Skrowaczewski I like best is something he might not be considered "idiomatic" in(he was born about 80 miles from my father's village), i.e., the old Ravel recordings on Vox, which are still available.


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Re: Stunning Recordings
JohnK #388792 01/26/13 06:34 AM
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I have a Vox recording with him conducting 2 Mozart piano concertos...it is outstanding. Heard the Shipway Shostakovich 10th. I would term it Shostakovich "lite." Listening critically (and subjectively), it is a consistent performance, but there were some things in the performance that were disappointing to me. Skrow's 10th is Shostakovich "heavy." I still favor Jarvi. I have Bernstein's Shostakovich 5th, (the digital recording when the NYPO was touring in Japan, c. 1979). Better sound than the older recording (c. 1959). I too agree Bernstein's is hard to beat and is very similar to Mravinsky's, who premiered the 5th. Have you heard Bernstein's Rite of Spring? The older Sony recording was hard for me to find but ebay had it for a good price some years ago. I hear things in that recording not present in others I've heard, including his London recording of the Rite....Cheers, and happy listening.

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Captain4105 #388795 01/26/13 08:29 AM
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Yes, I know and greatly like Bernstein's savage NY Phil(not London or Israel)Rite, which has been reissued by Arkiv. My favorite Stravinsky recording though, is the remastered Rite and Petrouchka done here by the young Ozawa.


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JohnK #388904 01/28/13 07:42 PM
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Just heard the Ozawa "Rite." Very impressive, very quick and precise...a recording worth having. I heard Chicago with Solti do it at Carnegie Hall and I wasn't impressed. It was sloppy, the orchestra seemed to fall apart...perhaps they had jet lag. I'll listen to Petrushka next.

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