Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners OT: Notebook computers

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And current viruses (since PC based) are unaffected on MAC systems.

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You know, in all my time working with computers, very extensively, I've never in my life been infected by a virus. Common sense is the best weapon.

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I wouldn't call it an advantage at all. I'd call it catchup, finally bringing the Mac into the latter half of the 20th century with a decent browser.

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Oh? Am I missing something? Does the Wintel have a much better browser than the IE, which, in my opinion, is mediocre at best. At the very least, I know I can work MUCH faster and more efficiently with the Safari, from day one, than with the Wintel (or Mac) IE.

[WARNING: This is not a Wintel/Mac war. It is strictly about web browsers. ]

sushi, I'm using a PC laptop at work right now (it basically runs the Axiom forum exclusively...). It has "Intel Centrino Mobile Technology", which is basically AirPort. The laptop has an integrated antenna.

sushi, many savvy PC folks use Mozilla (or a derivative thereof). It features tabbed browsing and ad-blocking.

Still, I prefer Safari to all other comers, even though it doesn't render some pages properly. For example, when I use Safari to check my HHMI e-mail via the Exchange 2000 web interface, I get a lot of overlapping text on some e-mails. This may just be an issue with Microsoft only thinking about compatibilty with their own browser, though.

I see... so a built-in WiFi antenna is at least getting to be a norm on the Wintel laptops.

I haven't used the Mozilla derivatives on the Wintel computer, but if they are anything like its various Mac counterparts, they are, well... no better than IE, IMO. To me, Safari is just in a different league. But I agree with the IE-only mindset/attitude of a good majority of web page designers -- essentially, all other browsers have to bend the "standard correctness" in order to behave like IE.

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This may just be an issue with Microsoft only thinking about compatibilty with their own browser, though.

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Gee...you really think so?

For the most part, web designers have to make sure that their pages work with the most common browser...IE. Which is the main reason I use it. I used to use Netscape all the time...until it was bought by AOL. Now I use IE all the time...because it works.

I've recently (the last ~2 months or so) been using Mozilla - and in my opinion, it is MUCH better than IE. Its only flaws: Its not finished so it does have some problems (invalid script bugs and what not), and certain web pages that launch games (WWII Online and There come to mind) wont work from it, and the most frustrating part - its a PITA to get any plug-ins to work.

Just my .02

Safari sucks at rendering pages properly, though it's certainly better than most of the other Mac browsers.

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But I agree with the IE-only mindset/attitude of a good majority of web page designers

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Safari is actually worse at supporting standards than IE and Moz derivatives and it's still slower.

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essentially, all other browsers have to bend the "standard correctness" in order to behave like IE.

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Read this:
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/003/software/mac/browser/mac-browsers-1.html

IE is pretty much the worst PC based browser out there for functionality, but it gets used by most people anyway for compatibility reasons or just because they don't know they have other options. I've played with Mozilla and will try it again as they update versions, but it just annoyed me that pages wouldn't load so I'm back to pop up filled IE (unless I'm using a pop up blocker at the time, which work with varying degrees of success it seems).

Speaking of popup blockers -- If you're using IE on the PC, I highly recommend installing the Google Toolbar. It features a very effective popup blocker, among other handy tools.