Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Technical Questions HDCD reproduction?

A few months ago, Spiffnme was kind enough to inform me of High Defenition CD decoding. I didn't even realize that one of my favorite CDs had this capability, as it was pointed out to me on the back of the case.

Can anyone chime in here on if it's worth it to spend the extra money on a player that is capable of reproducing HDCD music? I haven't heard it yet, but of course, I'm interested in checking it out because I'd like to hear the full potential in my system and music. Is it worth the money to find a CD or DVD player that has the HDCD decoding ability? Is it really that big of a difference?

I'm currently in the market for a new DVD player, seeing that my HK is about to die on me any day now. I've noticed that a few of the Denon players have the HDCD ability, however, they're not really all that cheap. I don't want to spend the extra cash on one only to find out that the sound difference isn't worth the money.

Thanks.

-Kevin

Kevin,

My receiver can decode an HDCD stream. My CD player is not HDCD compatible, but when I use the digital connection, play an HDCD, my receiver's HDCD light comes on. On my system, it is not that big of a deal.

I think you would be better off getting a universal player for SACD/DVD-A

I did get a chance to hear a coupld of XRCD's. These do not require a special CD player, and they sound great.

By the way, I think Microsoft either owns or has some kind of investment in HDCD...if that means anything to you.

-curtis

I could be wrong but didn't HDCD stand for High Density Compact Disc before Microsoft got a hold of it?

I can't tell the difference between HDCD and red book cd. It's not like the obvious difference between DSD and red book.

But of course it could be that I just have a tin ear.

I have a Denon DCM-370 cdp with HDCD and they are pretty cheap on ebay or audiogon.

Have a listen and let us know what you think.

Hi,

HDCD was originally developed by "Dr." Keith Johnson, a recording engineer, of Pacific Microsonics, and licensed out. It does not make a big audible difference. In fact, the technical explanation provided by Johnson at the time of its introduction was viewed as dubious by many in the A/V journalism community.

In fact, HDCD is a kind of compressor/expansion system that, with compatible players, will expand the dynamic range by about 6 dB to 10 dB. But, in some respects, it lessens the fidelity of a recording because if everyone isn't equipped with a decoder, then what they are hearing from a CD isn't as accurate as it might otherwise be with a non-HDCD-encoded disc.

Don't feel deprived if you don't have HDCD. DVD-Audio and SACD inherently deliver a far greater dynamic range than HDCD.

Hi Alan-

Thanks for a great response. That really helps to clear things up for me. I'll save my money on a player as it seems like I won't be missing much if I go without it.

Curtis- what receiver are you running? Was it an HK? Very interesting that it locks it in like you were saying.

MWC- I don't know about pre-Microsoft days, however on the HDCD webpage, they are calling it High Definition Compatable Digital (opposed to compact disc). Do you think that there may be a difference between this and the earlier form you mentioned?

-Kevin

Yup...HK 525.

My H/K AVR520 also has built-in HDCD decoding. I actually bought an HDCD sampler, and it has some of the same tracks in both 16-bit and HDCD to "show" the difference in HDCD. I can't for the life of me hear any difference between the HDCD and non-HDCD tracks, but some people do claim that HDCD is noticeably better than regular cd's. DVD-A is a much more noticeable improvement to me.

me too. just listened to two dvd-a's from aix while the house is empty except me, and the a's sound great. opps the wife is home, gotta go.
dan

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they are calling it High Definition Compatable Digital (opposed to compact disc). Do you think that there may be a difference between this and the earlier form you mentioned?

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Yeah, I saw that to and was wondering the same thing. I just don't know. Maybe Alan knows??

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opps the wife is home, gotta go.

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How does she feel about you being here with all the "Bad Boys of Axiom?

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How does she feel about you being here with all the "Bad Boys of Axiom?

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Hahah

she justs keeps asking why...you're not buying anything are you? 'course not, just getting educated, i reply. can't you just leave well enough alone? sure...now about that vp150 b stock i think in my head. think she would notice the vp100 got bigger if replaced by a 150 on top of the ent. ctr??

You get that, too? Education, I say. It's good to know these things now. It will save a lot of time when buying time comes around later.

I guess I'm not alone. Roger asks why I spend so much time on these boards since my speaker purchases are done. I tell him it's fun. You guys are a blast.

Oh you think your done eh..... I'll check on your after Christmas and see if nothing has changed. You should check HSU what matches really well with their subs.
The HORROR!!!!!!!!!!

That's another of my answers, then she lets loose this dreaded comeback:

"Is there something missing in our relationship?"



I then list the reasons why she would not be the ideal conversational parter for discussing the merits of tube vs. solid state. Besides, I got to get in all the time I can before the little one arrives.

I said my "speaker" purchases were done. Not my HT purchases.

As far as Hsu goes, I'd only even think about upgrading my VTF-2 for the VTF-3...and I doubt I'll even do that. I think those cylinder subs are too ugly.

Peter, when is she due again?

Nov. 27 (Thanksgiving).

One of my coworkers keeps telling me to get all the sleep I can starting now. I take it his little one doesn't sleep through the night. I'm crossing my fingers that mine does.

Haha! My third is due Nov 12th. The first two started sleeping through when they were around 22 to 24 months old. Your buddy was right on the money - I haven't had a full nights sleep in 4 years. With the third coming, I anticipate another two years of sleep deprivation. Ugggh!

Peter we should say our farewell to you on the 27th. Hopefully you can start posting in the new year.

Heh. He'll still be around...

I gotta say that I don't get any flack at all from my wife being on these boards. Maybe that has something to do with the fact she's on every single fanfic board she can get her hands on...

:-)