Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,270
connoisseur
|
connoisseur
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,270 |
Hi Stephane,
Oh, that's interesting! My theory about the 2.3i's midrange being similar to the 2.4i's may be wrong, and since I never heard the 2.3i, then what you report is likely accurate and not a function of the room. Certainly the 2.3i's enclosure is quite a lot smaller and with one less woofer, it would use a different crossover. So its bass output relative to the midrange would not be nearly as prominent as the 2.4i's. Hence the midrange would be more prominent relative to the bass.
To summarize what I said to FredK, it just takes a slight readjustment of midrange response relative to bass output and a speaker can be heard completely differently. As an example, when I first joined Axiom in 2002 and heard the M80s back then, I was not happy with the midrange--it seemed to have a glitch, an edginess that made some instruments hard-sounding. Ian re-designed the crossover--it was really a slight adjustment to the midrange--and then we did blind listening tests at Axiom with a bunch of my colleagues. We all chose Speaker B (the redesigned crossover) over Speaker A (the original M80), so the new crossover became a running change in production by 2003.
In my view, making that slight adjustment made the M80 into a really terrific loudspeaker. The change wasn't dramatic and was only noticeable on certain instruments (brasses, violins, vocals) but after the change, I could unhesitatingly recommend the M80 as a great loudspeaker.
Regards,
Alan
Alan Lofft, Axiom Resident Expert (Retired)
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,786
axiomite
|
axiomite
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 7,786 |
Thank you for answering so articulately Alan. Though Dr. Tool has a following in the audio community, it is hard to find anyone who has both an understanding of the research and practical experience in its application.
A number of his followers would tell me that a 3db hump would horribly and unimaginably (is that a word??) colour a speaker and render it useless except as a door stop.
Your answer matches with what I read in the many reviews people do on various boards of speakers they have listened to. Differences between good speakers are more subtle than some would have us believe.
Fred
------- Blujays1: Spending Fred's money one bottle at a time, no two... Oh crap!
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,458
shareholder in the making
|
shareholder in the making
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,458 |
Thank you for answering so articulately Alan. Though Dr. Tool has a following in the audio community, it is hard to find anyone who has both an understanding of the research and practical experience in its application. In MY community, I'm often called a Toole.
::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,488 Likes: 9
connoisseur
|
connoisseur
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,488 Likes: 9 |
In MY community, I'm often called a Toole. At least you're called...
See Mojo's signature
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 8,488
axiomite
|
axiomite
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 8,488 |
Um, Mark, I think you're talking about Tulle
bibere usque ad hilaritatem
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,458
shareholder in the making
|
shareholder in the making
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,458 |
Actually, I was thinking about Tilly. A lot. (Image cropped since this is a family forum)
::::::: No disrespect to Axiom, but my favorite woofer is my yellow lab :::::::
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 16,441
shareholder in the making
|
shareholder in the making
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 16,441 |
Pan down! Pan down!
And the movie is... ?
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,270
connoisseur
|
connoisseur
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,270 |
Great line, Tom. I had a good LOL.
Alan
Alan Lofft, Axiom Resident Expert (Retired)
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 6,471
axiomite
|
axiomite
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 6,471 |
Peter, that's not a movie still. That's a Polaroid from strip poker night at medic8r manor.
Jennifer does love a good game of poker.
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica.
|
|
|
Re: Energy RC-10
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,349
connoisseur
|
connoisseur
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,349 |
Now, since Klipsch purchased all of Audio Products International (the parent company of Mirage, Energy and a couple of other brands) and the original designers are no longer part of the company, it's anyone's guess what the current line is like. They're all built in China now, and knowing the Klipsch tendency to horn-load all its tweeters, it doesn't auger well for a smooth, wide-range frequency response.
What?! Really?? <internet research commences...> Wow. I didn't realize that Energy was now owned by the Klipsch conglomerate. I guess you do learn somethin' new every day. That means that pretty much everything I remember about Energy might be null-and-void now. If they've adopted more of a 'Klipschy' sound, I'm NOT going to like them any more. I don't remember the 2.3's (or were they 2.4's??) having a recessed midrange. It's been years, and memory isn't kind to audio tests, but I just remember their sound as really lovely and clear. Nice and powerful bass, pleasant midrange, and clear highs. Of course, I had also been listening to Klipsch and B&W speakers that day too, so maybe my memory is more tainted than I realize. All I know is that when I heard 2.3/2.4's, I liked them. But they were way too expensive for me, and M80's are at least even on performance (if not better) for a fraction of the cost. Asking the great Google, I found a this thread from Audioholics from a few years ago on this very topic. A moderately interesting read, IMHO. Of course, all of this is straying far off from the original poster's question.... I say, buy a pair of RC-10's from somewhere with a return policy, and then buy a pair of M2/M3/M22 to compare it to. Whichever set you like the least, send back.
Last edited by PeterChenoweth; 11/05/08 09:25 PM.
M80v2 | VP150v2 | QS8v2 SVS Pci+ 20-39 Emotiva UMC-1 & LPA-1 M22ti + T-Amp, in the Office
|
|
|
Forums16
Topics24,949
Posts442,510
Members15,619
|
Most Online2,082 Jan 22nd, 2020
|
|
0 members (),
1,034
guests, and
2
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|