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Hello. I purchase a pioneer 1018 and energy take classic 5.1 home theatre
it is not loud enough for my kids music therefore I put my old tannoy c10 as main speaker ,, well they were old so they blow the woofer on them playing their music .. I wanted to get new stuff that will work with the take classic 5.1 and was looking at the book shelf speaker m22 v2 from axiom...will they do the job or will they be too small ?? my tannoy used to be 24 inch tall and I find them king of big for my living room ... do you know any floor stand speaker not too tall (about 2 ft ) that can do the job ? Living room is 12 x 20 x 10 ft ceiling open concept into a kitchen... also with the new technology does the m22 v2 or any other bookshelf compare to my old Tannoy for loudness ect ?
Thanks

Welcome, barbotte. From my own auditioning, and confirmed by some others who have heard Energy speakers, they have a different sound than Axiom speakers so I would be rather cautious to mix them together. The M22 is an excellent speaker but will likely have a timbre matching problem combined with Energy speakers.

Most floorstanding speakers are taller than 2 feet.

M22's are fine speakers, but would be best placed on stands. The M50's might be a good choice for you; that is a pretty big room.

Have you considered fixing the Tannoys?

well i live in a small town in canada and i am not sure where to send them away to get fix and how much it would be to do so ..so i though that by the time i am done paying for shipping + woofer + whatever i needed as they are old ..it would be cheaper to buy the m22 ..unless anyone know where i can get a woofer for it ..i am kind of out of luck
thanks

Be aware, kids+volume+limited power=blown speakers. You can fry an Axiom too, just add to much clipped signal and you can blow just about any speaker. You might be better off with a some really cheap speakers and just plan to replace them often. Otherwise, you might have to really upgrade to get stable volume over 105dB (LOUD) (oh the good ol days of being a kid...or last week if we are just counting dbs!).

My M22s can fill my open 750 sq. ft. main floor with lots of sound. My brother-in-law has the original take 5s, are yours the originals? I like their sound, I think you could easily add the M22s to your system, but as the others have said, I think the bigger problem is the kids are driving the system harder than your receiver can handle which sends distorted signals to the speakers which will kill ANY speaker.

I think it would be a wise choice to order up a set of M22s and try them out, if you find they do not fit the bill, the return cost of shipping is only about $40. I would be surprised if you did send them back. Conversely, you could check the Hearing Things forum and contact Axiom to see if there is any one nearby that could give you an audition of a set of M22, M60, or M80, the bigger floorstanders do sound similar to the M22s, just with more bass.

Wow, I have the Pioneer 1018. I don't know how efficient those Energy Takes are, but with my old Sonys along with a new part of QS8s, I can't take the volume above -10 dB without me saying, "that's too loud", and backing off to -12 to -15. I did go to -5 once, just trying to get to 0 dB, but there was no way I was going any higher.

It wasn't that the amp was sounding strained and no audible distortion. It was just LOUD.

How high are your kids playing? Tell them to keep it down, or they'll buy the next set of speakers--then show them the price of the Epic 80 - 500 7.2 in high gloss rose wood.

A buddy of mine has the Energy Take 5.1 system and it was decent and played plenty loud in a good sized room.

I imagine your kids are probably looking for more low/deep bass for their music and the Energy 8" sub I believe cannot keep up.

thank for all your input ...a friend found me a place where i can get a woofer for them to replace them i am going to change them how do i know how much watt they are as the woffer as no writing on them ?? my spec sheet said 10-150w 8 ohm 47hz-20khz but i saw from the internet saying 250 watt ..is it the same but one is nominal and one is rms ??wich one should i go for as i am not sure ..can i damage something by going to strong ?? as i will be changer both of them to make sure they pair ..
thanks

My first 'good' set of speakers were an Energy Take 5 system. I still have them. I still consider them to be pretty good little speakers. A pair of the satellites live in our kitchen now, connected to an old receiver. They provide light background music for cooking & entertaining. They're great for that.

When I first bought my M22's + VP150, I simply dropped them in place of the front Take 5's. So for over a year, I used a pair of Take 5's as my surrounds in my system. They coexisted well together, I thought. Their timbre was close enough that movie effects blended well.

As someone who can directly compare the M22's with Energy Take 5 speakers, I can say that you'll absolutely love the M22's. M22's have *far* more room presence than the little Take's. M22's are just as clean and will deliver equally beautiful highs, but with MUCH more mid and low end. And they'll play considerably louder too. Though like the Take's, you will still need a sub if you want full-range 'reference' levels (i.e., LOUD!!) of sound.

Good luck!

Peter, how does the Energy "Take" speakers sound in relation to Energy's other speakers...nameley the connoisuer and reference series, if you've heard those before. (I've heard those two but not the "Takes", I got the impression that they sound different from some of the posts here)

I have heard 3 different Energy lines. My circa 1997 Take 5's, a pair of Veritas 2.4i's about 4.5 years ago, and a pair of RC-70's about 2.5 years ago. This is extremely subjective, so take it for what it's worth....

The Take 5's and the 2.4i's are such wildly different speaker sizes that it's hard to really compare their sound. The T5's are perfectly capable 'cube' speakers, and when paired with a good sub they make a darn good system. At least, I think so. They put together a decent soundstage with pleasant highs and ok midrange (for their size). Let me put it this way, they blow the doors off of a similarly-sized Bose setup, and show that cube speakers can be good. But they're no substitute for good bookshelf speakers, let alone floor-standers.

Do bear in mind that the Take5's I have are *not* the same Take-series speakers that Energy sells today. Energy is a different company today (part of Klipsch) than it was in the 1990's. I've not heard the modern Take Classic series, so I have no idea if their sound is similar.

The 2.4i's were really great. I know that some around here don't like them but I thought they sounded absolutely lovely. Great clean bass, lovely midrange without being too warm, and crystal highs that weren't screechy. I liked them a lot. Great all around. But they were like $4k a pair, so way out of of my price range.

M80 vs. 2.4i

The RC-70's were far less impressive. I considered them while shopping for M80's and it took about 10 seconds of listening to decide that I didn't like them. That's not enough time to really be able to describe here why I didn't like them, but it was enough for my bran to say, "nope, not these".

All I really remember is that they just sounded muffled to me. Highs weren't very good and the bass was muddy. Just sort of 'bleh'. They reminded me a lot of an old pair of Sony floor-standers that I had in college - which were like $149 each. I mean, they weren't *horrible*, but they just weren't in the same league as what I was shopping for.

Tks, Peter. I've not heard the Take series at all, older or the "Klipschized" newer ones. I did, however, hear the "C" and "RC" series and came away with virtually the same feeling you had with the "RCs".(heard the 50s and 70s) To me, they also sounded muffled or like they had a heavy blanket over them, which surprised me considering, at least on paper, they had all the right ingredients to be a very good speaker...that is what led me to wonder about the "Take" speakers, because they seem to be very highly regarded, at least given their size. Thanks again, Adrian.

Oh, I might add too, that I was also looking to hear the Verita line as well, but was having alot of trouble finding any here (go figure, I live less than 20 mi. from their plant in Markham). Nevertheless, they were $$ and reviews seemed to indicate that they sounded quite similar to the Axioms which are well below half the cost.

wow this is very good info ... so if i dont succeedd fixing my tannoy woofer ... i was thinking going with the rc10 to match my take clasic but it seem that you guys are saying the m22v2 would be better?? and yes i did give #@$#@$ to my kids but she is 9 years old dancing with all her friend it was hard as they were having fun lol
anyone compare the rc10 with the m22v2? also is the m22v2 the strongest/ loudest bookshelf available on the market?
thanks

I've never heard RC-10's, so FWIW.....

RC-10's are $600/pair and feature one 5.25 inch driver and one 1" tweeter, max wattage is 175 watts. M22's are $470/pair and have two 5.25 inch drivers and one 1" tweeter, max is 200 watts. None of those specs guarantee that an M22 is 'better' than an RC-10, but it does point to M22's being more capable. If for no other reason than M22's have that second 5.25" driver to help move air.

M22's are also pretty big, by bookshelf standards. They're *almost* like short floor-standing speakers. They're 20" tall, which is almost 7" taller than RC-10's. They're not dainty. And that's good if you're on a quest for loud bookshelves.

While I've not heard RC-10's, I have heard several other high-quality bookshelf speakers. Some were very good, like B&W 705's ($1,600/pair) or Paradigm Studio 40's (~$1,100/pair). The M22's could certainly go toe-to-toe with significantly more expensive brands. Do I think that M22's are outright superior than some other high-end bookshelves? That's hard to conclusively say because it's so subjective. But when you factor in the price of M22's, they deserve to be at least very near the top of the bookshelf pile. So in my humble and meager experience, I feel that M22's deserve to be considered among the best. They really are lovely speakers, and I'd even go so far to say that they might be the best value in the entire Axiom speaker lineup.

What I can say is that if RC-10's sound similar to RC-70's, then based on what I've heard of RC-70's, M22's are significantly better. Note the big if.

With Axiom's return policy, you can always just order them and try them out at home. Yes, if you don't like M22's you'll have to pay for the return shipping, which might be $40 or $50 (just a guess). If your Energy dealer has a return policy, the best thing you could do would be to buy BOTH the RC-10's and the M22's and compare them side-by-side at home. Return whichever you like the least. And definitely let us know how it goes, even if the RC-10's are better.

Good luck!