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And since my AVR lacks the ability to decode either DD-HD or DTS-HD, I'm missing out on that too.
This made me feel better so I'll share. Yesterday I played Dave Mathews at Radio City on Blu-Ray (via PS3) and on CD (via cheap, cheap Sony DVD with coax to Denon AVR 3300). After getting the timing worked out I compared A/B letting my daughter pick the input. I was flabbergasted. CD in stereo over crap was almost impossible to differentiate from BR in Dolby Digital (not Dolby HD). I could not believe it. Every now and then you would get a sense of greater breadth of image on the BR, but the lack of drastic change and easy identification was a shocking eye opener. The good news is I was trying to see how much I had improved the imaging of my fronts, so I figured comparing stereo to Dolby would be a good comparison. I never thought it would come so close - if not match - the image of a great BR in Dolby. Honestly, if I had (could) calibrate the output levels to make certain there were not any volume issues between the two I don't know that you could tell the difference. Wow. I blew my own mind.  Point being: I'm no longer expecting such a dramatic improvement from Dolby HD. I still want a new AVR for HDMI switching.
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So by not testing the HD audio formats, you're now thinking you won't be impressed by it?
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I was just kidding about the weavils. Sorry. Of course, maybe you really can hear the wee buggers scampering on the table cloth.
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So by not testing the HD audio formats, you're now thinking you won't be impressed by it? No, no, not at all. By not testing the HD audio formats I can now safely assume I won't be impressed by it. What do you want me to do, verify everything with " facts". But seriously, the jump from CD audio (over a cheap DVD play) to BluRay over the PS3 was so minor in my room that the comparative improvement in bandwidth between DD and DDHD would likely be similar. I'm not saying DDHD is not better - not at all. Just a marginal returns issues, as is always the case with HT. For me, it means get the projector before worrying about a new AVR. Although, it also tells me those damn monitors i heard that blew my mind were not likely improved by the transport/DAC/Tube/Cable combination. Maybe they really were that good!
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Ya know, if yer kid gave up smoking you would be able to afford those monitors.
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Yes, but then his attitude would be so hard to deal with. How much could it hurt him? The camel says all the cool kids are doing it.
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I clicked on your home theater link - if you don't mind me sayin/askin - your system looks great - can you tell me what finish it is in?............Rob
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And since my AVR lacks the ability to decode either DD-HD or DTS-HD, I'm missing out on that too.
This made me feel better so I'll share. Yesterday I played Dave Mathews at Radio City on Blu-Ray (via PS3) and on CD (via cheap, cheap Sony DVD with coax to Denon AVR 3300). After getting the timing worked out I compared A/B letting my daughter pick the input. I was flabbergasted. CD in stereo over crap was almost impossible to differentiate from BR in Dolby Digital (not Dolby HD). I could not believe it. Every now and then you would get a sense of greater breadth of image on the BR, but the lack of drastic change and easy identification was a shocking eye opener. The good news is I was trying to see how much I had improved the imaging of my fronts, so I figured comparing stereo to Dolby would be a good comparison. I never thought it would come so close - if not match - the image of a great BR in Dolby. Honestly, if I had (could) calibrate the output levels to make certain there were not any volume issues between the two I don't know that you could tell the difference. Wow. I blew my own mind. Point being: I'm no longer expecting such a dramatic improvement from Dolby HD. I still want a new AVR for HDMI switching. Why would there be that much difference between two identical dolby output? Did you not use PCM just for testing? I though Dave Mathews BD came with Master Audio (which the PS3 should decode and send out as PCM)
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Not sure what you mean? I compared CD to Blu-Ray. Most people, I think, would expect the Blu-Ray (and 3 additional speakers) to clearly outperform the decades old CD in stereo format. That was my point if that did not come across.
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I did not know Saving Ryan was on BR either, but I googled it, and Amazon says it exists. Some how out of that quick search on Amazon for Saving Ryan I ended up buying 5 re-mastered Dire Straits CDs. What economic downturn.  I see where you can sign up to be notified when Saving Private Ryan is available on Blu-ray, but that's all. Am I missing it?
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