Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners M22 questions Axiom or not? Help!!!

+1 on the Outlet sale. I've been here for years and I can only remember 2 or 3 cases of people not being happy with their outlet speakers. My QS8's were from the outlet, and the only possible defect is that one of the rear bracket supports is about 5-degrees off of being perfectly level with the cabinet - which means nothing.

If you're not happy, Axiom will make it right. Their customer service is second-to-none.

And +1 on the M22's. M22's are fantastic. In a small space, their bass is surprisingly powerful. With a sub, they can hold their own against towers in a medium sized room. Really, my M80's and M22's sound quite similar, except for bass output and overall SQ at *LOUD* volume levels. At low to 'normal' listening levels, they're nearly indistinguishable.

Axiom makes many fine subs. You can't go wrong with any of them. The EP500 is probably the most popular one around here. But if you're looking for other options, check out HSU Research and SVS. Both companies also make excellent subs. I have nothing but praise for my SVS.

Hi Randy,

Good to know, about the difference in the sound quality!
The sound compression was mentioned in an article. I cannot find it again, but they had MA GR, B&W 601,
Paradigm and some other small speakers. No big deal, I saw enough good things about Axiom.

I'm going with the outlet store since everyone thinks it is the way to go.

I will do a search on the differences between versions just because curiosity.

Must admit most of the music I have put on the computer and yes, they are in the MP3 format but 256VBR.
Poor speakers will have to put up with it.

Also, I'm going to take a look at the subs but will wait before buying until I get M22's and see if they are ok for my needs by themselves.

Thanks, Arthur

I've never bought from the Factory Outlet myself. I don't fear any dissatisfaction due to blemishes; I'm simply too impatient. For people who don't mind waiting a little bit, it seems to be the better idea.

Just remember you can always boost the bass settings up in the receiver a couple db to warm up the sound a little. Mp3 at 256 should sound pretty good, I find 128 acceptable as long as the original was a good disc in the first place.

As has been mentioned Hsu, SVS or Paradigm dsp series are very good quality lower cost subs, Axiom's EP350 fits this category very well too.

Hi Peter,
I'm not going to listen at very loud levels.
I will take a look at the EP500 first.
After that I will figure out what HSU and SVS are. hehe
Ok, now I know, the subs look nice.:)

My biggest concerns when comes to sub is that it blends well with M22.
Wouldn’t an axiom sub match better?
Or when comes to bass it makes no difference? I think someone said that timber is not a problem.
Is it a good idea to connect speakers directly to the sub?
It would have to work well in small space and be not too picky when comes to positioning.
Controls for night listening would be nice.
The bass should be precise and crisp without that box like boom.
And if that could be accomplished in the sub 500$ US price range it would be great.

I will check the other forum too.

Cheers, Arthur

I appreciate everyone’s help!
Axiom must sell more speakers because of you guys!

...and sorry for the machine gun type question...., but you know what they say knowledge is power....especially when spending money.........:)

Arthur, welcome. After seven years now with my M22s I'm still delighted with the superb sound quality that they deliver when the source material is of high quality. As to compression, all speakers are subject to compression at some point, where adding more power simply heats up the voice coils in the drivers more, but the sound level doesn't increase. Even the M80s are subject to this, as Ian has mentioned in his description of power testing of the M80s that compression developed around 118dB. The M22s don't have that high a sound level capability but for sane listening levels in anything but a huge room at a long listening distance they do the job.

For most music they can do a adequate job in the bass without a sub, but for some music(e.g. pipe organ)and for LFE(low frequency effects)occasionally present in movies a sub is highly desirable. I use the EP500, but a suitable choice for you would depend on your budget.

Arthur. What are you going to be listening to on this setup? If its music only, you don't need to spend as much on a sub. Most music is above 40Hz, even the bass. Exceptions to this are pipe organ, synth, and a few classical music instruments.

I am sure you can find a sub quality in the $400 range that will reach into the upper 30s.

You know Jay, I usually leave those settings alone, well ok, perhaps 20% boost :).
However, I do play with the equalizer settings both on my
soundcard and the one within i-tunes. Wouldn't mind getting a better equalizer.
Of course, that's probably because my current speakers need a little boost here and there.

I'm with you 256 plus sounds good. I don't have too many 128's but the ones I have sound just fine. Occasional feeling of thinnest perhaps on a couple mp3’s.

Well Fred, that’s a good point.

It is 100% for music. Mostly rock with some techno thrown in.

However, I would prefer a sub that could handle low effects in movies as well just in case.

Hi John,

I'm glad you still like your M22's. I have to confess I'm really looking forward to getting them too.
I will not be exposing M22 to insane volumes.
So, in that case going by your description there would be no compression! That's great.

I will definitely give M22 a chance without a sub first.

Thanks, Arthur