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Re: M22 questions Axiom or not? Help!!!
Adrian #254415 03/30/09 02:20 PM
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Congrats on your purchase.


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axman #254420 03/30/09 02:42 PM
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 Originally Posted By: axman
My biggest concerns when comes to sub is that it blends well with M22.
Wouldn’t an axiom sub match better?
Or when comes to bass it makes no difference? I think someone said that timber is not a problem.

Arthur, there are many excellent subs available (Axiom among them), and a number of good ones at $500 or under. There is no need to be concerned about "blend." Any well designed and constructed sub will "blend' with the M22s. I use an EP500 with speakers from a different company and am completely satisfied.

Of course, the Axiom subs will do a better job of matching the appearance of the M22s, if that matters to you. For music only, in a small room, the EP125 would be an excellent choice. However I see you've stated you would "prefer a sub that could handle low effects in movies as well..."

If that means you want a sub that goes down to 20Hz, would work in a small room, and costs $500 or less, you might consider:

An Elemental Designs A2-300 (or their A2-250 or A3-250 models)

An SVS PB10-NSD

A Satin Black Hsu VTF-2 MK 3 set to maximum extension would fill the bill, but it would be $49 (plus shipping) over budget.

There is a new, high ouput sub (from none of the companies mentioned above), unreleased as yet, that is tentatively speced at 20Hz and $319 delivered (USA). But, it is not expected to be available until sometime this summer (at the earliest). I suspect you are interested in moving sooner.

EDIT: I'm not certain what affect shipping to Canada would have on the cost of the above mentioned subwoofers.




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Ajax #254425 03/30/09 03:15 PM
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This is the problem I had with my M22s I had a $500 or less budget and Axiom sub cost too much. \:\( Cheap subs just didn't cut it. The Velodyne VX-10 is OK but doesn't go too low, and couldn't keep up with the M22s at higher volumes. I wound up with a Paradigm DSP-3100 and am very happy. $450 from my local dealer. I don't feel right posting this at the axiom forum, but I do think Axiom should make a sub in that price range. If only the EP175 would come down in price a bit... I would have gone for axiom for sure.


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Official Ninja #254426 03/30/09 03:21 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Official Ninja
This is the problem I had with my M22s I had a $500 or less budget and Axiom sub cost too much. \:\( Cheap subs just didn't cut it. The Velodyne VX-10 is OK but doesn't go too low, and couldn't keep up with the M22s at higher volumes. I wound up with a Paradigm DSP-3100 and am very happy. $450 from my local dealer. I don't feel right posting this at the axiom forum, but I do think Axiom should make a sub in that price range. If only the EP175 would come down in price a bit... I would have gone for axiom for sure.


I tested my m22 with an Energy 8" sub (el-cheapo model from FutureShop) and the results were really good. I think that as long as there is a sub, the results will always be better. Not great but very good

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 Originally Posted By: Official Ninja
This is the problem I had with my M22s I had a $500 or less budget and Axiom sub cost too much. \:\( Cheap subs just didn't cut it. The Velodyne VX-10 is OK but doesn't go too low, and couldn't keep up with the M22s at higher volumes. I wound up with a Paradigm DSP-3100 and am very happy. $450 from my local dealer. I don't feel right posting this at the axiom forum, but I do think Axiom should make a sub in that price range. If only the EP175 would come down in price a bit... I would have gone for axiom for sure.



I tested my m22 with an Energy 8" sub (el-cheapo model from FutureShop) and the results were really good. I think that as long as there is a sub, the results will always be better. Not great but very good


Agreed. Like I said the Velodyne VX-10 can be found for $120. It works well until you want to crank some metal music above 90db.

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Official Ninja #254439 03/30/09 04:17 PM
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Thanks for all the sub ideas. I will take a look at all of them today and do some research. Got to run but be back later.

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axman #254467 03/30/09 05:36 PM
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 Originally Posted By: axman

And here is a weird question. Do you guys think that there could
be significant sound improvement between axioms M22 and cheap
speakers that typically come with JVC, Technics, Kenwood, Yamaha systems.
Roughly same size as M22 but lower frequency extension and larger woofers?

Not a bad question, and the answer is clearly yes, with a caveat. What are you powering them with? Garbage in/Garbage out to an extent. Assuming you have a AVR of minimum quality, it should improve things.


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Zimm #254550 03/30/09 11:38 PM
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I have a pair of m22 v2 in my bedroom set up and use a hsu stf-1
they sound great. I will say the sub took a bit to find the sweet spot, but the 22's sound great. I hope you enjoy them, and happy sub hunting.


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Gieseman #254564 03/31/09 12:59 AM
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The HSU subs are small, very price-efficient, and stand up extremely well to higher end subs (I've done some comparisons).

My vote would be to grab the HSU STF-1. I have an STF-2 and it really rocks the house...but if you're not going to be watching very many movies you're not going to utilize the extra output and lower extension that the STF-2 provides.

Get the HSU STF-1 and be happy. I put the sub right under my desk and get that great "thump" feeling near me. Just sounds great.



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danmagicman7 #254566 03/31/09 01:03 AM
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I say get a ULS-15. \:\)


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