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Axiom provides adapters with the A1400.
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Are the fans audible on those types of amps? the behringer a500 is fanless the ep1500 and ep2500 received mixed opinions. Some are finding them to be quiet and other's dont and are switching the fan
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Luc, there's nothing in either your present thread or in previous ones that contains any good reason for not simply trying your 1018 with M80s before looking for an amplifier with more maximum power; your search is premature at best. Your comment on the 1018's 110 watt rating indicates that you haven't read previous discussions here which explain that all amplifiers sold in the U.S.(which effectively applies to those sold in Canada as well)have to comply with the amplifier power rating regulations of the FTC(Federal Trade Commission). In summary, the rated power has to be sustained for at least five continuous minutes of operation; no "peak power" or similar rating is legally permissible for the basic rating. Audio magazine lab tests confirm that the advertised rating is in fact met, and manufacturers would be foolish to publish a power rating which was in violation of the regs. This is the only area of audio which has legal regulations and where we should be confident that claims will in fact be met.
If you want an amplifier with a higher maximum power rating, at least 500 watts would be required to make a significant difference in maximum sound level even possible.
If an amplifier has only balanced inputs, using an adaptor to allow use of an unbalanced output from the receiver or separate preamplifier shouldn't cause any noise problem. If running unbalanced all the way with a typical shielded coaxial cable doesn't result in a noise problem in typical home environments(and it doesn't), running unbalanced with an adaptor won't either.
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Luc, there's nothing in either your present thread or in previous ones that contains any good reason for not simply trying your 1018 with M80s before looking for an amplifier with more maximum power; your search is premature at best. Your comment on the 1018's 110 watt rating indicates that you haven't read previous discussions here which explain that all amplifiers sold in the U.S.(which effectively applies to those sold in Canada as well)have to comply with the amplifier power rating regulations of the FTC(Federal Trade Commission). In summary, the rated power has to be sustained for at least five continuous minutes of operation; no "peak power" or similar rating is legally permissible for the basic rating. Audio magazine lab tests confirm that the advertised rating is in fact met, and manufacturers would be foolish to publish a power rating which was in violation of the regs. This is the only area of audio which has legal regulations and where we should be confident that claims will in fact be met.
If you want an amplifier with a higher maximum power rating, at least 500 watts would be required to make a significant difference in maximum sound level even possible.
If an amplifier has only balanced inputs, using an adaptor to allow use of an unbalanced output from the receiver or separate preamplifier shouldn't cause any noise problem. If running unbalanced all the way with a typical shielded coaxial cable doesn't result in a noise problem in typical home environments(and it doesn't), running unbalanced with an adaptor won't either. We are just confused! You talk to ten persons and you get twelve answers. Even if there is no problem hooking any of these speakers to the AVR, some do say that the speaker's potential is locked. When you look for amps, they all say there is a difference with and without. Are they all crazy, why aren't they using only their AVR? I've seen someone running a pair of m22 + vp100 on something like the ep2500.. We are curious and wondering if the AVR will limit the speakers in any way.
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Going with my present experience with the A1400 vs my Denon 3808, the difference was quite noticeable and I feel the speakers really opened up with A1400. Will these lower priced amps have the same sound as the A1400 I can't answer as i have not heard one. I have yet to try the A1400 with my M22s to see if they also open up more, but I also no longer have my Denon to compare it to.
I can say that the Denon still sounded very good on it's own, but the A1400 was just that much better at bringing everything to life.
Jason
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VP160 v3
QS8 v2
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Going with my present experience with the A1400 vs my Denon 3808, the difference was quite noticeable and I feel the speakers really opened up with A1400. Will these lower priced amps have the same sound as the A1400 I can't answer as i have not heard one. I have yet to try the A1400 with my M22s to see if they also open up more, but I also no longer have my Denon to compare it to.
I can say that the Denon still sounded very good on it's own, but the A1400 was just that much better at bringing everything to life. was the difference noticeable at moderate volume or only when it was really loud? it's a shame you didn't have time to test the amp on the m22. I wish I could try it at home and see for myself.
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Much to my surprise the difference was noticeable at all volumes but that was with the M80s and the bass was equal throughout the volume levels, the upper end was also noticeably better seperated ie. instruments could be easily dicerned from one another while with the 3808, the bass dropped off and the instruments became more blurred together like a cheap system would do at all volume levels. I still have the A1400 (for 2 more days)and I will try the M22s later today with just an iPod feeding the A1400, I have been running this way with the M80s since my 3808 died, it sounds really good, way better than any iPod system I have ever heard before , not exactly portable though. I guess I could always combine all of this into a back back scheme 
Jason
M80 v2
VP160 v3
QS8 v2
PB13 Ultra
Denon 3808
Samsung 85" Q70
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Luc. Before you pick up a Behringer amp, see if you can find a spec sheet for it and check out the distortion ratings. I have read that this series of amps (ep) can have significant distortion at higher frequencies. They are good in the subwoofer range.
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OK, I wanted to reference a post on the ep2500 specs so I started searching. I'm not sure where I got the idea about distortion, but it is incorrect. Here are the distortion measurements for a 2Ohm load. Here are the 8Ohm measurements.
Fred
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