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#263169 - 06/10/09 03:12 AM What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like This?
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I've had a couple private conversations with a few of you here, and made a couple hundred posts. A few times people have commented on my attention to detail, or observational acuity.

About four years ago I was finally given a diagnosis which seemed to fit all my "symptoms". Through out school I was called dyslexic, OCD, and bipolar. Medications for any of those just made things worse. What seemed to work best, was just growing up, and learning to work with rather than against my head.

This page: http://www.northeastkungfu.co.uk/LLI.htm is one of the best write-ups I've found of the dysfunction. Even then, I don't agree with everything the author says. But I guess that's in the complexity of the brain too.

One of the first clues that put the Doctor on the right track was when my vision started to slip, and I was given glasses. I said that I couldn't wear them, because I was seeing the frames and the glass. The eye Doctor told me that I'd get used to it. I couldn't, it was so unbearably distracting I couldn't stand to have them on for a day, I felt like was trapped inside of something. Contacts weren't as bad, but again the Ophthalmologist said "you'll get used to them", I was like how long should it take until I stop feeling them touching eye and the inside of my eyelids every one of the 1000s of times I blink throughout the day? She was confused by my continued level of discomfort and distraction after a week. Now, I just go uncorrected (and bought a bigger TV). It is all I can stand, and have actually found the slight loss of detail and near-sightedness is preferable to a sharply defined world.

One thing those pages I linked mentions is memory. From what I understand from talking to others my memory doesn't work the same. Nor does it work like those memorization experts. My working set is about the same as the average person; I can keep about seven things in my head at a time--provided I'm not being swamped by other input. If there is a lot going on around me, my working set falls to about two or three--it isn't possible to concentrate to boost that either. Playing back voice mail, with the phone receiver pressed to my ear, a pen in my hand, the texture of it moving over a PostIt pad is enough to make it so I can't recall enough numbers said in the last second to get them down on the paper. But I can rewire an equipment rack or an engine bay months after I took it apart. It isn't that I remember where all the wires went, it is just that in taking it apart I learned how it should be put back together.

My mom used to say, "you must have a photographic memory", when I'd recall where I last saw something she was looking for. But when I met someone who really had a eidetic memory, I knew I didn't. If I look into a room, I can later describe where objects were, how far from walls, what's sitting onto of other things. It isn't that I have a picture in my head, but more of a list of connections, sort of like a "flow" of objects as they relate to each other. The odd thing is, I'll know about things I didn't directly observe. In some cases it is like X-ray vision, as I know about electrical wiring. If there's a ceiling fan with two pull chains and only one switch on the wall, I'll "see" the single pair of wires running through the wall and across the ceiling to the fan. If there are multiple outlets and at some point a breaker trips yet half the outlets keep working, I'll immediately "see" two separate runs of wire. When working with old floppy disks or CRT televisions, I was paranoid about data loss or damage due to stray magnetic fields from speakers and would visualize a fuzzy haze around magnets even to the point where I felt like I could feel it.

Do people really have voices in their head while they think? The only time I hear myself is when I'm composing something to type or say ahead of time.

I love this one: "Learning is not limited to defined periods of academic study. The assimilation of information is constant, ongoing and never static. There are no lulls or pauses. Everything offers a lesson." That is so true, and "everything" means everything. Every word a person says to me is collected, analyzed, compared with everything else I know about them and knowledge in general, finally adjustments are made to my view of them, and possibly the world if it helps my understanding. Then, I'm ready for the next sentence.

On the second page, what I don't agree with is the part about driving a car. Well, not completely. I do have a minor panic attack every time I start to think about driving; it is just a huge rush of thoughts as I prepare myself. It is hard to drive when someone is talking to me, I have a two-seat sports car, I don't think I'd be able to handle more than one other person with me either. I ripped the stereo out--really, there's a hole in my dash. But alone, with the sound of the engine, transmission, tires on the road. The feeling of the wheel, the deceleration and yaw of my body in the seat entering a corner. It is a complete flow. But I know a lot about what's happening because of the details my dad (who used to run road rallies) filled my head with when I was a kid. The funny thing is I couldn't drive a manual transmission until I saw an exploded 3D animation of its internals. Then the next time out, it was just natural--though I still "see" what happens to each part as I push in the clutch and move the shift lever.

Background noise is indeed a problem, but white noise is OK. Nee, preferred if it drowns out other little things. I used to have a computer with really loud fans--like hair dryer loud. I'd sleep with it in the same room. People couldn't understand how I could do that. Really, white noise is required for me to get to sleep.

The page says, "Noticing things does not mean that you understand them. If anything, the abundance of what might be known lessens the desire to accumulate widespread knowledge." Again I don't agree, at least with the second part. The abundance of what might be known, makes me want to learn more. I can talk with seemed authority on just about any subject, because I absorb so many different things. If always feels like I'm getting closer to that big picture of everything as I make more connections.

"Unless your mind is calm and your emotions settled, you may find yourself becoming increasingly paranoid and potentially neurotic." Yeah. \:\( This is what I meant by "growing up" helped. I think it was more of my mind fully maturing, and learning to calm myself. I still feel my mind race over things making bad connections and have a feeling of dread come over me. Even though what I just pieced together is unlikely; in my mind it is real.

The third page says something about a clothing shop. My take on clothing is: Shirts have to be light and baggy. Baggy jeans too. Baggy is better because it makes less contact with my skin--which I feel all the time. 100% cotton socks that breathe well. Slip-on shoes are preferred because they present an even pressure on the top of my feet unlike the bumpiness of laces. Though I do like thin soles as it is nice to feel the world as I walk (I also have an uncanny sense of balance, and awareness of my body's orientation in space), plus it makes driving easier to feel the feedback from the pedals.

I could write more, but most of you are probably inhibiting this as latent noise by now. \:\) Mostly, I just wanted to write enough to know if anyone else here takes in the world in the same way? I always just figured everyone felt their clothes all day, and had a swarm of information spinning around their head. It wasn't until the glasses incident that someone told me different--I was 20.
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#263170 - 06/10/09 04:08 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like This? [Re: ClubNeon]
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 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
I could write more, but most of you are probably inhibiting this as latent noise by now.


I find it all fascinating. I think I've wished all my life that my brain worked a little different from everyone else's, and I'm sure I've developed some superficial peculiarities, but when it comes down to it, I don't think mine can operate any more conventionally. The way you think seems to give you a pretty unique perspective. My first reaction is envy, but I think I'd be a real wuss about the negative aspects.

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
Every word a person says to me is collected, analyzed, compared with everything else I know about them and knowledge in general, finally adjustments are made to my view of them, and possibly the world if it helps my understanding. Then, I'm ready for the next sentence.


This makes me think that it won't be long before you know me better than I know myself. Scaaaaary. \:\)

 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
The funny thing is I couldn't drive a manual transmission until I saw an exploded 3D animation of its internals.


That IS kind of funny. If anything, I think my brain is all too eager to satisfy itself with an unresolved view of things. Having to see how everything fits together seems so foreign to me, but also very cool. I wish I wasn't so lazy in how I accumulate knowledge. It's like I'm kicking my brain around along a path; If something sticks, cool, and if not, there will be something further up the road that will stick to whatever is exposed.

Anytime you want to write more about this, I'd be happy to read it.

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#263171 - 06/10/09 05:04 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like This? [Re: ClubNeon]
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 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
Now, I just go uncorrected (and bought a bigger TV).


Are you a candidate for laser eye surgery?

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#263173 - 06/10/09 06:04 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like This? [Re: ClubNeon]
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Interesting read thanks for sharing the link. My symptoms seem to be superficially similar to those but that’s all. It’s only partly true when I tell people I’m “Dyslexic” which I think is often misdiagnosed from some other cause or causes. I just say that because people usually know what it is and because when I got tested at the request of a professor at UW Madison when I showed up at his office half a semester early to get the reading list telling him it was the only way I could get the required reading done by the end of the next semester. They determined I was eligible for special help and termed my condition “dyslexia.” I declined since I am a straight “A” student and didn’t want any medical record of any type of disorder due to how it could interfere with potential government jobs.

For the same job related reasons I’ve never gone to get professionally diagnosed but I and others have know there is clearly more wrong with my brain than is explained by dyslexia. One of the main symptoms is my senses are almost always on overdrive. In groups of people I hear and process every. I “feel” the moods of people around me. Needless to say I need a lot of time alone or I can get overwhelmed.

I’ve just seemed to naturally do things to take advantage of and or mitigate this. Being able to “read” people led me to become a very good interrogator. Also my squad always wanted me on point because I sensed things no one else noticed. I also found that running was self medicating. Not only can it be very solitary and meditative it also releases a cannabinoid that mimics the effect of THC which gives me a longer lasting calming effect.

I used to get curious about what is wrong with me but came to terms with being different long ago. It’s cool you might be onto something regarding your condition. Next question is what if anything can be done about it?

Dean
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#263174 - 06/10/09 07:08 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like This? [Re: grunt]
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Paging JP (medic8r), Paging JP. Interesting stuff guys.
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#263185 - 06/10/09 09:28 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like T [Re: ClubNeon]
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Without reading the article you linked to, I formed the opinion that it sounds like you have a less developed input filter than the average person. Then I read the article and saw that it was saying basically the same thing.

I think most of us have the ability to activate tunnel vision on demand, if it doesn't just happen subconsciously.
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#263186 - 06/10/09 09:33 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like T [Re: CV]
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 Originally Posted By: CV
Are you a candidate for laser eye surgery?

Never looked into it. I'll probably need to do something some day, as vision never gets better. The possible side-effect of starbursts around light really scares me. With glasses or contacts I could take them off, but if my eyes themselves were a distraction--that wouldn't be good.

Actually, I have a tiny "floater" in my right eye that only shows up with quick head movement. But when it does move through my field of vision it's about the only thing I can concentrate on.
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#263191 - 06/10/09 10:08 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like This? [Re: grunt]
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Oh, I meant to write a more about the dyslexia. From the fifth page of that site:

 Quote:
"You can read every word on the page at the same time"

No. You can see every word on the page at the same time. You don't read them all. You can read chunks of text at a glance. Too many words and numbers are hard to digest. Focussing on a line/word is a conscious effort, and difficult to sustain.

I like to read, but the level of concentration needed is immense. Often when I'm trying to follow along one line, words will pop out that are below it on the page.

If you notice my writing style; I don't make paragraphs which are much more than five lines long if I can help it. The white space between them really helps break things up. When I see one huge mass of text that I do want to read I have a take a deep breath and try to work my way through the swimming mass of words.


I don't like large groups of people when more than a couple are talking at one time. I'll hear everyone, but even if I'm not doing anything else, it's hard to concentrate on any one--even if it is the person with whom I'm actually trying to have a conversation. It's really bad if it is someone I'm interested in, because they'll see me react, smile or whatever, to another conversation in the room. They tend to think I'm not into them at all, and would rather be talking to those other people.

You mentioned THC, I've never "smoked", and that's because of how bad drinking made me feel. I've not drank alcohol since my early twenties, and even then it was less than a half dozen times. Though, I hadn't even made this connection until now. Every time it was the same, once I got more than a little buzz, I started to feel like I was going crazy. Everything would become overwhelming, I'd want to scream. I remember one time I was at a party where they were watching a sub-titled anime, I wasn't looking at the screen, so all I was hearing was the Japanese and I couldn't understand a word. I mean all I could hear was that Japanese on and on, it was like a nightmare. I had to go outside into the dark and get away from the sound. Same goes for any depressant. If am medication says, "may cause drowsiness", I know I'm in for a bad time if it doesn't knock me out quick.

On the other side of the coin, I love stimulants. To the point where I don't feel like I can function unless I have a large amount of caffeine in my system.

That leads into treatment. I've never seen anything mentioned in my reading. But there are mentions on how LLI can be neurosis causing in people who are not able o deal with the constant bombardment. I have to wonder if Ritalin might be of help, because of it's stimulant effect along with enhancing dopamine transmission (one theorized cause of LLI is elevated levels in the brain). Or if some people which seem to be helped by Ritalin actually have LLI. I've always wondered why speed could help a kid calm down and focus. Maybe it is not that at all, but the speeding up of the brain which allows it to handle all the input.

I was never diagnosed as being autistic, but I remember reading a study which said some autistic children benefited from a treatment as simple as putting in ear plugs. Again, makes me wonder.
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#263192 - 06/10/09 10:21 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like T [Re: pmbuko]
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 Originally Posted By: pmbuko
Without reading the article you linked to, I formed the opinion that it sounds like you have a less developed input filter than the average person. Then I read the article and saw that it was saying basically the same thing.

I think most of us have the ability to activate tunnel vision on demand, if it doesn't just happen subconsciously.

I keep going back to that site, here's another quote:

 Quote:
Reverse engineering

LLI enables you to 'reverse engineer' things.

For example: somebody uses the term 'passive aggressive' in the context of 'behaviour'...
You had never heard of the concept before.
Those three words and their associated meanings may be enough for the LLI to kick in.
Without any knowledge of psychology, you could potentially extrapolate the meaning of the term and perhaps be pretty accurate.

Maybe you could do this without LLI?
With LLI it happens instantaneously, often with a high degree of accuracy.

Even the term, "low latent inhibition", is great. When I first heard it, I was like, "inhibition?", that doesn't seem right, I'm a rather inhibited person as most people would use the word. But "latent", like hidden or below the surface, ah! "Latent inhibition", inhibiting that which lies below the surface, below the threshold of observation. A "low" ability to do that; makes sense! That all happened within seconds of me hearing the term.
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#263193 - 06/10/09 10:42 AM Re: What is Wrong with Me-or-Is Anyone Else Like T [Re: ClubNeon]
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Fascinating stuff. I am somewhat envious that you've managed to figure out what it is that's going on with yourself.
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