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Re: speaker wire length
alan #274188 10/05/09 11:00 PM
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 Originally Posted By: alan
Hi Argon,

Copper does oxidize over time when it's exposed to air--you know those rooves made of copper that turn greenish, as well as copper pennies. Where it's exposed at the connection point, electrical conductivity may be affected. You can use a bit of sandpaper to remove the oxidation if you are using bare-wire connections and return the lustre to the copper.

If memory serves, it seems that other forum members have warned users away from Home Depot's bulk generic speaker wire because it seemed to oxidize even under the plastic insulation, which is odd. Even so, that won't affect conductivity through the copper.

Does anyone else recall those posts?

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I remember reading about oxidation under the plastic/vinyl. That is exactly what has happened here - which I don't understand either. I would consider replacing except that it is all in wall and some rather long runs. So....unless I start having problems, I guess I will leave well enough alone.


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tomtuttle #274191 10/05/09 11:25 PM
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Can't remember who or where, though.


Not surprising, really.




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Re: speaker wire length
Ajax #274192 10/05/09 11:39 PM
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SirQuack #274201 10/06/09 01:43 AM
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Re: speaker wire length
Argon #274205 10/06/09 02:16 AM
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Rob, without going into the full chemical story again, when copper oxidizes(due to atmospheric oxygen)it turns brown and almost looks black as the reaction proceeds(e.g., very old pennies). A greenish color would be due to a reaction with other elements, most notably chlorine. The greenish color reported under some transparent speaker cables isn't due to atmospheric oxygen, which doesn't penetrate the jacket. Apparently some of the PVC(polyvinyl chloride)jackets(most are okay)were unstable and broke down so that chlorine reacted with the copper, forming the green chloride.

As Alan pointed out, oxidation on the end of the wire can be easily removed with an abrasive such as sand paper, or the end can be trimmed and re-stripped.

The linked material by Mr. Russell is an excellent explanation of speaker wiring in general, in addition to the gauge table, and has undoubtedly helped many avoid wire rip-offs the past few years.


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Re: speaker wire length
JohnK #274211 10/06/09 03:14 AM
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I'm going to develop a new speaker wire. Each strand will be microscopically thin, but there will be 20,000 of them per 12 guage (it will all be 12 guage) run. That's one strand per bandwidth from zero hz all the way up to 20,000 hz!!! Of course it will be oxygen free and one directional and all that other good stuff... but the 'one strand per bandwidth' will be the kicker! Every 'true' audiophile (wink, wink) will have to have it. And of course if while stripping the wire you happen to accidentally happen to cut a few of the strands off, you will have to replace the whole run. I mean that's a given, other wise you'll lose out on those frequencies that they were assigned to!


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Micah #274216 10/06/09 03:27 AM
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Micah, no doubt you'll be able to find some "audiophiles" who'd pay handsomely for such a miraculous wire.


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JohnK #274241 10/06/09 09:00 AM
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Why yes, yes indeed! I'm taking pre-payments for anyone who wants to be the 'first' in line for this new miracle wire!!! ;\)


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Micah #274244 10/06/09 10:20 AM
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JohnK #274246 10/06/09 11:30 AM
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 Originally Posted By: JohnK
Rob, without going into the full chemical story again, when copper oxidizes(due to atmospheric oxygen)it turns brown and almost looks black as the reaction proceeds(e.g., very old pennies). A greenish color would be due to a reaction with other elements, most notably chlorine. The greenish color reported under some transparent speaker cables isn't due to atmospheric oxygen, which doesn't penetrate the jacket. Apparently some of the PVC(polyvinyl chloride)jackets(most are okay)were unstable and broke down so that chlorine reacted with the copper, forming the green chloride.

As Alan pointed out, oxidation on the end of the wire can be easily removed with an abrasive such as sand paper, or the end can be trimmed and re-stripped.

The linked material by Mr. Russell is an excellent explanation of speaker wiring in general, in addition to the gauge table, and has undoubtedly helped many avoid wire rip-offs the past few years.


I would say the color I am seeing is darker than greener. I don't know where this wire would have come in contact with chlorine. I do have some fishing rod holders that my wife's grandfather made for me years ago. He hammered 3/4 copper tubing flat and bent it around and attached it to a wooden stake. Quite clever, actually. 25 years later, the copper is taking on a nice green patina. After your comments about chlorine, I am not sure if it is the saltwater exposure or the fact that I always hose them down when I get home with tap water that is causing the patina. Probably saltwater?


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