Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Stereo New W22s- where's the beef?

no, but I know elemental designs, here in Iowa, offers kits you can build if you would like. If you time it right, you could catch a race at the Newton track, built by Rusty Wallace.

Cat, there are many audio sites on the web you can check out just google "diy speakers" or "diy subwoofer". You could check out DIY Audio as well as many others you'll find by Googling. The Elemental Design subs look like a nice project as Randy mentioned.

It took me a while to find it again, but here's a distributer of audio transducers that I found months ago when thinking about building my own speakers.

http://www.madisound.com/

They have just about everything in the way of drivers and other miscellany.

Here are some more....

Speaker City

Creative Sound

Solen

Meniscus Audio

Parts Express

Unless "bottom end" referred to the very lowest bass, say the 20-40Hz octave, the comment is somewhat surprising in that Axiom stated that the design purpose was to essentially duplicate the response of the M22. My M22s(with room gain taken into account), both by ear and by meter, have strong response down to 60Hz, begin to drop off about 50Hz and have much weaker but still usable response at 40Hz. This is adequate for most music, although for pipe organ and much movie LFE a good sub is certainly highly desirable.

The W22 mid-woofers, by design, are only about 7" from the wall and the bass is reinforced by this. The published Axiom measurements for the bass specs indicate that the bass of the W22s is in fact quite good for most purposes and extends to at least 50Hz.

A +3/-9 spec would lead me to believe the 50hz is all but un-noticeable as it would be 12db lower at 50, it is there but really making you feel it in comparison to the rest of the music and at 60 it would be 6db(+/-3 from their spec) lower. I would take this as needing a 3-5 db boost in the bass tone control to 'even out' the sound.

I was there with what John is saying, Axiom states they are good down to about 60, so even say 80 to be safe, but I personally do have a drop at about 95 hz. It's possible it's just my setup for sure and it would be nice for someone else to test to see, but I think it's safe to say they will need a sub either way. I haven't seen an actual graph on them, just the published specs.

Hey Dr. House,

yeah, I turned the bass level up 2db - it did make a difference, they're tolerable now The sub will definitely be my next purchase.

I had a good resolution to a customer service issue with my new W22s - I noticed one of the speakers was buzzing and popping. I phoned Axiom and they immediately shipped me a new midrange driver unit. I intitially received my W22s on Monday of this week, found a problem the next day and received a new driver yesterday (Thursday). That makes me very happy.

Good to hear that. I had a very small issue and they fixed it in about a week. I killed a phillips screw head on my speaker stands and they sent me 3 more of them.

I also found base +2db to be the sweet spot on my M22's without subwoofer. I also occasionally set the treble to +1 depending on recorded material.

If you are still looking at a diy sub, Home Theater Shack Form has some good info and knowledgeable posters.