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Knowing and seeing his good side almost makes the bad side that much harder to stomach. 
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Let's not forget the people who were supposed to benefit from these 'charities' as well. That money was meant to help those people.
Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.
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What a mess.
As much as some people want to make this solely about the raffles and related indictments, it seems to me that the malfeasance was a symptom of a failing business. People seem to justifiably feel wounded because MLS' candor and charisma drew them in and gave them confidence in the products and joy in their purchases. Now that the messenger's integrity has been destroyed, even customers who weren't victims of the raffle scam will likely lose a measure of happiness in their lives.
The time frame of the indictment alleges starting in 2004. I don't know how much stock you can put into the "failing business theory" but it looks like it compounded the issues. There is no doubt deceit. And btw con men can have very charismatic personalities. Its sad for all parties.
I’m armed and I’m drinking. You don’t want to listen to advice from me, amigo.
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Most con men have very, very charasmatic personalities, in fact.
Half of communication is listening. You can't listen with your mouth.
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Thats the beauty of the con adrian.
I’m armed and I’m drinking. You don’t want to listen to advice from me, amigo.
-Max Payne
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What a mess.
As much as some people want to make this solely about the raffles and related indictments, it seems to me that the malfeasance was a symptom of a failing business. People seem to justifiably feel wounded because MLS' candor and charisma drew them in and gave them confidence in the products and joy in their purchases. Now that the messenger's integrity has been destroyed, even customers who weren't victims of the raffle scam will likely lose a measure of happiness in their lives.
It remains baffling and disappointing to me when we cannot rely on the fundamental honesty of our fellow creatures.
When you've found a job doing something you love and something that brings joy to people, and then mess it up by lying and stealing, that's just low.
I guess doing business with - and surrounding yourself with - people of good character isn't such a cliche after all.
I feel bad for Jack. Hear, Hear! Sorry - in my book it is black and white. Either you have integrity or you don't.
"A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" Churchill
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You brought up another excellent point that is pertinent about buying online and one of the "warning signs" and that is active censorship on the company forum (if it has one). You have been seeing this with their moderators or employees and also long time supporters of the company recommending, downplaying or staying quiet on very important and serious issues that they are fully aware when people ask about their products. Most of these individuals that got suckered in within the last year or so are probably going to be without a warranty . On a separate note I am also noticing a lot of censorship at Emotiva lately (which makes them not very attractive to me as a company)
Another bad sign is when Google auto completes “av123 p” to “av123 problems.” LOL! What about when someone starts typing into google av123 subwoofer. Once you hit av123 s one of the choices google comes up with is av123 scam. Yeah I would say thats a big warning sign.
I’m armed and I’m drinking. You don’t want to listen to advice from me, amigo.
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Just another data point...
I continue to get at least 2 emails a week from AV123 touting big sales.
I just shake my head and hit delete.
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You could also try unsubscribing. 
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bibere usque ad hilaritatem
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