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Re: State of Paranoia
#30208 01/08/04 11:10 PM
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No, separates are a preamplifier (does component switching, DSP, volum control) and an amplifier (amplified the preamp output). You can certainly get 1 amp/speaker, but that's really expensive, generally.

Or you could just get a sub and offload some of that bass to it, thereby decreasin the load on your receiver.


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#30209 01/08/04 11:15 PM
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This is another good source for used equipment.


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#30210 01/08/04 11:18 PM
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check out the marantz mm 9000 on clearance-699.00 its a real good deal shipping included-then choose a pre amp that will fit your needs--...ron http://www.accessories4less.com

Re: State of Paranoia
#30211 01/09/04 12:50 AM
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i have that DVD. i will go play it and see if i hear this crackling you speak of.

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#30212 01/09/04 01:43 AM
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well i did hear a couple of clicks but that was all i heard. i didnt have it blasting though. if your usinng a PS2 as a dvdp that would probbly be the cause. ive had problems when i used mine as a dvdp in the past on that disc.

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I was using a Sony DVD player...I have an XBOX not a PS2 anyway. I also only heard a few crackles and they were near the beginning of the song just after the camera pans away from behind the drummer. Like I said before, I'm 99.9% sure it's just the DVD. I popped in a few CD's aftewards and didn't hear a thing. I have some friends coming over this weekend to demo the speakers and I just want to make sure they sound tip top.
Also, thanks to all those who posted information on seperates and subs. I'd really like to get my hands on a HSU.

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#30214 01/12/04 04:29 PM
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I had my reciever cranked up and the speakers never sounded distorted. My real real question was "Can a 100Watt reciever damage speakers that are rated at 250Watts if the reciever is cranked to its highest potential...excluding clipping?" I was wondering if their were any other variables other then wattage that could damamge my speakers. In my mind, as long as my reciever doesn't clip, I could crank up my 100 Watt reciever as loud as I want and never even get close to the speakers (250 Watts) maximum threshhold.

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#30215 01/12/04 04:45 PM
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OK, time to show my ignorance..........What does clipping sound like?


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Re: State of Paranoia
#30216 01/12/04 05:57 PM
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rdwarn,
I would never recommend you crank up a 100w receiver thinking that your "250W" rated speakers will be fine.
They will not.

Forget the speaker ratings. They are virtually useless.
Buy as much power as you can safely afford.

See one of my recent posts (at the very bottom of the review) about the 'test' we did with Axioms and Tannoys on clipping and distortion with a Denon 3802 receiver.


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Re: State of Paranoia
#30217 01/12/04 08:32 PM
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Hi rdwarn,

Ignore the 250-watt power rating of the M60ti's. Buy as much power as you can afford. You can never have too much power--only too little. It's very easy to push a lower-powered receiver into clipping or incipient clipping (where distortion is rapidly rising), which sends a DC signal to the mids and tweeters and burns out the voice coils.

The advice about buying used separates is excellent. I have an old Yamaha power amp, 200 watts per channel into 8 ohms, which is more than 15 years old and is working perfectly. I've used it to drive all kinds of small, medium and large speakers.

As for distortion to listen for, if you hear a sharp "snap" from any of the M60 woofers (very unlikely), that means the voice coil is hitting the magnet structure of the driver and you should race to turn down the volume. In most cases, you hear increasing edginess or harshness as the amp's distortion is rising (odd-order distortion). With a genuine high-power separate amp, your ears will give out before the M60s do.

Regards,


Alan Lofft,
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