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#309858 - 06/08/10 07:28 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: CatBrat]
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Denon allows this with their remotes, the main center button acceses their speaker levels and it is just a matter of a few clicks and you are done.
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#309859 - 06/08/10 07:29 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: jakewash]
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Heck, it's a few clicks with my H/K, miraculously. Of course, with the Harmony remote, each click takes about 500 years, but there we are.
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#309866 - 06/08/10 09:57 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: gianquittia]
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Yes, I know what you mean, I have the same problem. Some movies, everything is OK but some others, when it's just dialog, I can barely hear it and then some effects come and the hole house rumbles. At first, I only had the M80s so I thought that it was because I had no center channel, then I bought the VP150 and nothing really improved. So far, what I used to do was to turn Dynamic Volume ON and that way the volume of the dialog is raised. The down side of that is that now the volume of the effects is lowered.
As other suggested, I tried increasing the volume of the center but I find myself having to increasing by +6/7/8 dB. Is that normal. Also Do you guys change the level every time when the movie is poorly mixed and then change it back? I find this a bit annoying.
I seat about 7/8ft from the speakers and after running Audyssey, the channel levels are set as FL -5dB, FR -5.5dB, Center -8dB.
Why is the center set by Audyssey much lower than the mains? Shouldn't it be actually set the same or higher since it cannot produce the same SPLs? In some movies, I find that I have to set the center sometimes up to 0db,
Another question is do these values seem correct or should they be closer to 0dB? What is for example the -5.5dB referenced to?


Edited by bdpf (06/08/10 10:01 PM)
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#309872 - 06/08/10 10:42 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: bdpf]
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At least after I reprogrammed my RF remote, it only takes a couple of button presses now. I set them at 1/2 db increments from MCACC # 1 through 6, but I'm going to redo it a 1 db increments instead.


Edited by CatBrat (06/08/10 10:53 PM)

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#309951 - 06/09/10 03:24 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: bdpf]
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 Originally Posted By: bdpf

I seat about 7/8ft from the speakers and after running Audyssey, the channel levels are set as FL -5dB, FR -5.5dB, Center -8dB.
Why is the center set by Audyssey much lower than the mains? Shouldn't it be actually set the same or higher since it cannot produce the same SPLs? In some movies, I find that I have to set the center sometimes up to 0db,
Another question is do these values seem correct or should they be closer to 0dB? What is for example the -5.5dB referenced to?


Bdpf, there are no "correct" values. Those levels are simply adjustments, not actual volume levels. Those adjustments are made by Audyssey so that you DO get the same SPL at the main listening position. So the -8dB centre level setting would indicate that your centre speaker is actually ~3dB louder than your mains.

If you're not sure about the settings then your best bet is to double check them with an SPL meter. Or, you can disable Audyssey altogether and just use the SPL meter and make the adjustments manually. Either way, after you've level matched your speakers, simply adjust the centre speaker up or down to your own liking. If/when you come across material with poorly mixed centre channel content you may need to adjust again, no real way around that unfortunately \:\(

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#309955 - 06/09/10 03:35 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: bdpf]
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 Originally Posted By: bdpf
Yes, I know what you mean, I have the same problem. Some movies, everything is OK but some others, when it's just dialog, I can barely hear it and then some effects come and the hole house rumbles. At first, I only had the M80s so I thought that it was because I had no center channel, then I bought the VP150 and nothing really improved. So far, what I used to do was to turn Dynamic Volume ON and that way the volume of the dialog is raised. The down side of that is that now the volume of the effects is lowered.
As other suggested, I tried increasing the volume of the center but I find myself having to increasing by +6/7/8 dB. Is that normal. Also Do you guys change the level every time when the movie is poorly mixed and then change it back? I find this a bit annoying.
I seat about 7/8ft from the speakers and after running Audyssey, the channel levels are set as FL -5dB, FR -5.5dB, Center -8dB.
Why is the center set by Audyssey much lower than the mains? Shouldn't it be actually set the same or higher since it cannot produce the same SPLs? In some movies, I find that I have to set the center sometimes up to 0db,
Another question is do these values seem correct or should they be closer to 0dB? What is for example the -5.5dB referenced to?


My prediction is Audyssey raped your system. You should double check those numbers with an SPL metre for an accurate calibration of your system. If you are too lazy to do that, disable auddyssey, and re-calibrate everything by ear, try boosting all the numbers relative to each other to start or start each speaker at 0 and go from there. I suspect the readings are off.
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#310000 - 06/09/10 10:34 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: BlueJays1]
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Thanks Dr. It's not that I'm lazy, I just don't have a SPL meter yet. I thought from what I read that Audyssey would be doing a good job. I'll buy one and double check. As for disabling Audyssey all together, doesn't Audyssey adjusts to proper EQ as well on top of channel leveling? I think it might do a better job at EQing than I would.
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#310001 - 06/09/10 10:43 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: bdpf]
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Yes, Bruno; Audyssey does room EQ which you can't do at all by yourself, and as for the calibration aspect, it's unlikely that someone manually calibrating with the aid of an SPL meter would get results as accurate as the auto-calibration, considering the added element of human error.
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#310003 - 06/09/10 10:52 PM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: JohnK]
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Preferably I would recommend an SPL meter for calibrating your speakers. As for Audyssey EQ I would recommend you turning it off initially to eliminate as many variables as possible as to what could contribute to dialogue problems. If you decide to re-calibrate with an SPL meter try some listening with both auddyssey turned on and off and see which setting you like better.

Another thing to check is to make sure all drivers are working properly on your VP150.
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#310030 - 06/10/10 10:07 AM Re: Vp 150 and Vp180 question [Re: BlueJays1]
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Thanks John and Dr. It's interesting to see how you guys have different approaches. I will definitely buy a SPL meter at least just to double check Audyssey's settings.
I there a way, without spending tons of money on equipment, to measure the frequency response in my room. I remember seeing in some thread people being able to create a graph of their frequency response for their sub. I would like to do something similar for my fronts.
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