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Re: It is OK to add Amps...
fredk #317568 08/04/10 11:51 PM
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One problem with knowing you are "close to the limits of the receiver" using the calculator is many manufacturers of receivers are not totally true to their specs.


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Re: It is OK to add Amps...
Pitbull24 #317586 08/05/10 02:08 AM
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Brian, pretty much the same answer, and note that this isn't simply my "opinion", but rests on basic principles of how amplifiers work plus the results of controlled blind listening tests which have failed to show the differences sometimes claimed. In this latter connection, if you haven't studied the results of the classic amplifier blind listening test in Stereo Review you may find it enlightening. These results still stand unchallenged(i.e., unchallenged by contrary solid evidence, not just stubborn disagreement)despite later investigations.

Among the interesting points in the tests are the comments which are at the very end of the article showing the clear differences in "sound-stage", etc. which were described in open listening before the blind sessions began, but which disappeared when the name plates and price tags also disappeared. Especially interesting was the comment of the "believer" at the end of the tests(but before being shown his score)who apparently scored 7/16 on the Hafler/Futterman session 3, but still was describing the differences that he'd heard. Incidentally, the $12,000 pair of Futterman tube amplifiers, which apparently didn't have a flawed "tube sound" and which which were indistinguishable from the $220 Pioneer receiver in results, for some reason were off the market about a year later.

So no, the mono blocks have no capability to improve the sound in some mysterious fashion if the sound levels are carefully matched.


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Re: It is OK to add Amps...
JohnK #317630 08/05/10 01:51 PM
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I just might try one of these some day. Review and more info here.


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Re: It is OK to add Amps...
MarkSJohnson #317688 08/06/10 01:33 AM
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I'm looking at the non-dsp version for a couple of sub projects I may or may not ever get to...


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Re: It is OK to add Amps...
fredk #317692 08/06/10 02:13 AM
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Big difference in $$ non-DSP vs. with DSP.


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Adrian #317767 08/06/10 06:19 PM
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Brian,

I am very much a noob to all of this but have been looking at the Emotiva amps as well as i happen to live where there HQ is. My theory is this, if you dont care about the money then who cares what a meter says, its like having a big v-8 but not driving it 150 mph, its still worth it :-)

I have heard my m22's on a different receiver (sony) from my denon and the difference is humorous so i can only imagine the difference when going to a separate amp. To me, my setup seems to almost "open up" at a louder than normal volume and that is the sound i truly love.


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Re: It is OK to add Amps...
MarkSJohnson #317849 08/07/10 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
I just might try one of these some day. Review and more info here.
Some measurements on the IPR1600.


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Re: It is OK to add Amps...
Henry66 #317858 08/07/10 03:40 PM
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Those measurements don't tell a very complete story. Apparently you need pretty fancy (and expensive) equipment to measure properly.

The folks at Danley labs bench tested an IPR1600 and pushed it pretty hard without any clipping/distortion/shutdown issues. They agreed that the amp is able to properly deliver to its full specs. Its one heck of a bargain.

Note: This thing is able to handle 2 Ohm loads. Compared to Recievers and consumer amps, this thing is a beast.

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