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#325047 - 10/06/10 05:40 PM Re: Differences in center channel choice-advice/help? [Re: Ken.C]
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Ken, wasn't your comparison flawed, shorting bars on the back of the M80s loose or something like that?

In my experience, the M3's are different tonaly than the M22 and M80s. The M80s and M22s have a much cleaner midrange to them. That dip in FR makes voices from the M3s sound to be behind the other sounds rather than in front of or equal to. Now this was all with v2's and my Ti M22's so with v3's, YMMV.
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#325051 - 10/06/10 05:45 PM Re: Differences in center channel choice-advice/help? [Re: jakewash]
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No, it was on the M50s. We had the M50s out of phase for about 50% of the comparison.
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#325052 - 10/06/10 05:51 PM Re: Differences in center channel choice-advice/help? [Re: jakewash]
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Originally Posted By: jakewash
Ken, wasn't your comparison flawed, shorting bars on the back of the M80s loose or something like that?

In my experience, the M3's are different tonaly than the M22 and M80s. The M80s and M22s have a much cleaner midrange to them. That dip in FR makes voices from the M3s sound to be behind the other sounds rather than in front of or equal to. Now this was all with v2's and my Ti M22's so with v3's, YMMV.


With certain male voices the M3's like to add a fat or bloated characteristic to them. The wonderful jazz vocalist Kurt Elling comes to mind. Female speech/vocals sound better IMO. I think this comes from the mid-bass hump and voicing on the M3 which has this effect on the speech region.

Based on the on-axis response curves, the M2 and M22 does not have that characteristic. Like Grunt and JohnK also mentioned they would be a better tonal match for the M60 than the M3 and would also give you more natural vocals/speech out of the centre.

The only concerns I would have with the M2 is power handling and being able to keep up with the M60's during dynamic movie passages and speech intelligibility in large rooms at further listening distances. How large of a room is your theatre, listening distance etc?
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#325056 - 10/06/10 06:23 PM Re: Differences in center channel choice-advice/help? [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: kcarlile
We had the M50s out of phase for about 50% of the comparison.

It was only on "stun".
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#325057 - 10/06/10 06:25 PM Re: Differences in center channel choice-advice/help? [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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House, have you personally heard the M3v3?
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#325060 - 10/06/10 06:31 PM Re: Differences in center channel choice-advice/help? [Re: tomtuttle]
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I have 2 pairs of M3 v2's. One pair in 07 and the other sometime in 08/09. Looking at the on-axis frequency response of the M3v3 it is pretty identical to the v2, with the exact same mid-bass hump.




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#325062 - 10/06/10 06:36 PM Re: Differences in center channel choice-advice/help? [Re: BlueJays1]
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Thank you for the clarification.
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#325063 - 10/06/10 06:49 PM Re: Differences in center channel choice-advice/help? [Re: tomtuttle]
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I've also listened to comparable speakers with those same passages which have a flatter on-off axis response more resembling that of the M22 (based on independent 3rd party measurements) and they do sound more natural in the speech region compared to the M3.

IMO I think it is the midbass-hump that has this affect on certain male voices. Not all, just some. On the other hand it is desirable on some recordings. With the centre speaker though, speech is a primary concern.
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