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#332756 - 12/29/10 01:20 PM IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER
da-drifter Offline
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I purchased the Epic 80 home theater system with the EP600 back in October. The system works perfect for my needs EXCEPT for the EP600. Since day one I had a popping nose whenever I turned the sub volume past the 1 or 2 oíclock position. The popping would occur during extreme bass soundtracks on movies. I would assume it occurs during music playback as well but haven't tested it.

Over the course of three months I have been in contact with Axiom to fix this problem. Here is what we tried:

1. Replaced the speaker. (Didnít work)
2. Replaced the amplifier. (Didnít work)

Now, after replacing everything in the speaker cabinet they discovered that there was a problem in their software that controls the sub amplifier. (Really? Do other EP600 owners know this?)

So now what?

3. Replaced the amplifier again with a "fixed" amplifier but this time I had to remove and reinstall the speaker with it. (Didnít work completely)

Result? I still had popping but not nearly as frequent.

So now what?

Axiom worked out a good deal with me to upgrade to the EP800 so here I give them credit. This was my suggestion because I am so impressed with their other products and believe this problem is just an anomaly with the EP600. I will receive my EP800 in a few days and look forward to a non-popping sub.

I'm wondering why Axiom hasnít had a flood of complaints from EP600 owners. I know that I can't be the first guy to turn the sub volume past 1 or 2 oíclock and listen to deep bass movie soundtracks. The Axiom website states: "Crank it up - XLF makes the EP600 unbreakable!" and ďThe Intelligent DSP wants things to go smoothly all the time - no bumps in the road." And what about the glowing reviews? Don't the reviewers put the speakers through rigorous testing? I checked out the frequency response chart on www.audioholics.com and apparently everything works great however in reality it does not. I must be special because no one else has discovered this problem or they have not reported it. How long has this sub been tested and sold anyway? Another thing, I purchased the recommended AV receiver for this specific speaker system and all wiring and components are new. I even had everything professionally installed through Axiom's recommended installer in my area.

I'm VERY happy with the rest of my system and Axiom has provided excellent support through this ordeal (thanks Brent and JC) but I cannot recommend the EP600 to anyone at this time. I just don't think they have all the bugs worked out yet. Hopefully the EP800 is up to the task.

Sincerely,
Da-Drifter
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#332757 - 12/29/10 01:36 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: da-drifter]
grunt Offline
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Quote:

I'm wondering why Axiom hasnít had a flood of complaints from EP600 owners.

Probably because they incrementally update their speakers and probably DSP software trying to improve things over time and not all EP600 sold have the software glitch. Probably slipped past QC because there standard testing protocol didnít catch it but more in depth troubleshooting when trying to find the source of your problem did.

Not sure about the amp you have but the one that came with my EP500 has the capability to receive firmware updates probably in anticipation of this very type of thing. Iíve already had to update the firmware on my BDP-83 twice.

So my best guess is the reason there arenít a ton of reports is most likely because not that many people have the problem.
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#332761 - 12/29/10 02:16 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: grunt]
Dduval Offline
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You are the first I have heard of any EP600 issues. That said, I'm sorry you are experiencing issues.

However, rest assured Axiom will make it right. I would definitely take the upgrade offer on the EP800 and move on to deep wall shaking bliss!

Dana
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#332766 - 12/29/10 03:16 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: Dduval]
da-drifter Offline
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What surprises me is the fact that even after the second time I installed a new amplifier the problem wasnít completely fixed. I just didnít want to go through more time and work on my end until they get it right. Iím confident that they will and probably already have but I have had enough. I donít want blood just a good powerful trouble free sub. My first and only home theater audio was a Bose 5.1 with the tiny little cube speakers and sub. I just spent over 16K on a new home theater system and the Epic 80 7.1 is at the heart of it. I have had my eye on Axiom for a couple years now and havenít read any bad reviews so naturally Iím disappointed with the sub issue but all the other speakers are awesome. The good news is that the EP600 is working well enough now that I can get some sort of feel for the potential of it. I havenít turned up the volume past 2 oíclock because when it pops (just occasionally now) itís like being slapped in the ears. Even at this level the walls of my house shakeÖ:) So Iím thinking that an EP800 set at 3 or 4 oíclock will be more then Iíll ever need. I canít wait, after 3 months Iíll finally be able to experience the complete system.
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#332767 - 12/29/10 03:28 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: da-drifter]
CatBrat Offline
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Just curious. Isn't the 12 o'clock position at half volume? If so, it would seem like the 4 o'clock position would be at full volume. I may be wrong, but I doubt that any subwoofer would be playable at full volume without some problems. That would be like turning your receiver up all the way it would go and not expect any problems.

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#332768 - 12/29/10 03:43 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: CatBrat]
Adrian Offline
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My Paradigm sub is at 1/4 gain, not sure how sensitive the gain is on the Axiom, but that's an important point you brought up there, Brian.
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#332771 - 12/29/10 04:08 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: Adrian]
Dduval Offline
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I think he meant 9:00 or 10:00 o'clock. However, he should be able to turn the volume up on any Axiom DSP controlled sub to 1:00 or 2:00 o'clock with no issues. As long as he is not over-driving the input signal to the sub with his avr's sub level out, hopefully it's not at +5 or something...

I have my EP500 at 2:00 o'clock for months now without any pops whatsoever. Sub out level set to 0. FYI

Dana
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#332772 - 12/29/10 04:12 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: Adrian]
ClubNeon Offline
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Turning the sub's volume control up all the way, is worse than turning the receiver's volume up all the way. I can play my receiver at -0 dB without too much trouble (I'll more than likely get trouble from the police).

But the subwoofer's volume control is designed to make it so full volume on the receiver equals full output from the sub's amp. Voltage levels for the sub-out vary from receiver to receiver. All sub maker can do is design a control to try to cover the all the variances. The right setting is the one that makes the sub produce an output level exactly equal to the main speakers regardless of the volume control on the receiver.

Turning a sub's volume control nearly all the way to get more bass is a mistake.
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#332773 - 12/29/10 04:57 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: ClubNeon]
da-drifter Offline
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I apologize, Iím not an audiophile (not even close) but I did experiment with both the AV receiver sub level adjustments and the physical volume control knob on the subwoofer. I followed the instructions with the Axiom sub and with my receiver. Since Axiom admitted it was there subs software in the amplifier I put the question to rest. But Iím confused. I really donít understand the whole + or Ė DB from my Denon receiver. Why not 1-100% volume control? Why not crank the sub all the way up and control the output 1-100% on the receiver?

I donít understand the relationship between my receiverís volume control and the physical volume control on the subwoofer.


Edited by da-drifter (12/29/10 05:06 PM)
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#332774 - 12/29/10 05:06 PM Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION EP600 SUBWOFFER [Re: da-drifter]
Dduval Offline
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Drifter,

First, what receiver do you have?

Your sub out level on your avr should roughly be set between -2 and +2. If your avr has auto room level/calibration, you should start there. Then use the sub's volume to adjust to your listening taste.

This all should have been done by the professional installer when they setup your system.

Dana
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