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M50s instead of QS4
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My HT is still work in progress and i have the M60s and VP100.. Very happy with them.

Thinking of filling in the surrounds next and have been thinking about the M50s instead of QS4s. One of the reasons being that i will have to put the QS4s in a stand since mounting on the wall is not an option because of the shape of the room.

Looking for pros and cons of going ahead with the M50s.

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krikan #334447 01/14/11 03:37 PM
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There will be a timber mismatch using the M50's, not that it is critical for the surrounds but for multichannel music it is preffered to have a timber match on all speakers. I would suggest M22's or M60/M80 for direct radiators, but I would recommend the QS8's over the 4's for a perfect timber match and the QS8s over a direct radiator for surround duty.

The QS series is very forgiving on placement do you have a picture/drawing of your room, maybe we could suggest some places for the QS series to go.


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krikan #334448 01/14/11 03:38 PM
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I wouldn't. I think it would be a bad idea, personally.

The QS-series diffuses the sound so it's not so localized and they have a reputation of being about as good as it gets.

Besides, the M50s are known to have a somewhat different sound than the M60s you have.


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Hi krikan,

The QS8s are so placement forgiving that you can wall-mount them darn near anywhere and they'll still deliver a hugely enveloping surround field.

The do not need to be symmetrical in placement. By that, I mean they can be at different heights and distances, nor do they need to be opposite each other. My own QS8s are at different heights, and the right side surround is slightly forward of my couch and about 2 feet higher up than the left one. Their multi-directional dispersion simply blends together with all the reflections from a room's surfaces, yielding surround envelopment that is not localizable at the speakers.

Like the others here, I'd advise against using M50s because of the latter's different timbral (tonal) balance to your M60s.

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Re: M50s instead of QS4
alan #334456 01/14/11 04:58 PM
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Too far forward, and you don't get quite the effect, though.


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Ken.C #334471 01/14/11 08:25 PM
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I have a similar question. I have 4-way floor-standing pioneer speakers in the front with axiom's VP-180 center channel, and my next purchase is either QS8's or M80's. I was thinking I could move the pioneers to the rear and get the M80's first, or just go with QS8's because I already have front floor standing speakers.

Currently am using some Bose Series III bookshelf speakers for the rears sitting on a desk. Which leads to my second question, which the forum consensus seems that the QS8's sound better mounted on the wall rather than being on a speaker stand. Would that be correct?


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AndyP #334472 01/14/11 08:49 PM
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Get the M80s next and use the Bose for surround duty. I think you could use stands if ya want with good results.


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Wid #334473 01/14/11 08:55 PM
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I'm sure you can get good results with the stands, but they aren't as high as I'd like the surround speakers to be, and they cost extra money. If it's possible, I'd definitely wall-mount the QSes.


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alan #334515 01/15/11 02:30 PM
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Thanks Alan.. The decision is pretty much done. Could u explain what you meant by timbral difference ? Would like to take this opportunity to understand what it is..

Thanks Jakewash.. The HT is in my basement which is 40' long and 25' wide, 7/7.5' high. It is a nice rectangle but the stairs leading down eats up 4' on one side. So i have a nice viewing/listening area of 25'x 25'. I thought because of the stairs on one side and wall on the other, the QS speakers wouldn't be at the same height and also facing different directions.. Alan's explanation helps and my problem now is to figure out how to run the wires and hide them in the walls smile

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krikan #334516 01/15/11 02:55 PM
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I vote for wall mounting surrounds if at all possible.


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