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#341430 - 03/09/11 04:17 PM bookshelf vs floorstanding
julian_y Offline
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Hi, I have a question for bookshelf and floorstanding. If living at a small place, are there any benefits of getting floorstanding over bookshelf? I know the volume will be much bigger but anything else? clarity, contrast? For instance, how is M50 or even M80 compared to M22 in a small room? Thanks for the help.
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#341434 - 03/09/11 04:46 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: julian_y]
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If no subwoofer is used, the extra bass extension from a floorstander is your main benefit.
Many people here claim that, even though not identical, M22s + sub sounds very similar to M80s + sub (when crossed over at let's say 80Hz). The advantage of the towers is that you can cross them over much lower if you like their midbass better. The M80s go low enough to cover most music types, a sub adds little to it. For movies it's a different story. With the M22s, you need a sub either way as they are not full range. As for the M50s, from what I've read, they sound different than the M2s,M22s,M60s and M80s, they have a more recessed mid range, same as the M3s . Hope this helps.


Edited by bdpf (03/09/11 05:08 PM)
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#341435 - 03/09/11 04:46 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: julian_y]
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It would help to know room dimensions and what kind of openings into different rooms it has. Everyone's idea of "a small place" may be different.

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#341440 - 03/09/11 05:10 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: CatBrat]
julian_y Offline
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Thanks for the quick reply, bdpf. Then if I purchased M22s + sub, then there wouldn't be much benefit added if substitute for a floorstanding like M80 in a small room?

CatBrat, I am still living at a university dorm and will move out in 2 or 3 months. Let's assume the living room area is about 12*24?


Edited by julian_y (03/09/11 05:14 PM)
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#341446 - 03/09/11 05:33 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: julian_y]
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If there is much benefit or not is for you to decide. There will be differences, if the differences are worth the extra $$$ is up to you. FYI, I have M80s in a room smaller than what you describe (my living room is 20*11) and love them. A few people on this forum have done a direct comparison, I am sure they will chime in.
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#341451 - 03/09/11 05:55 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: bdpf]
julian_y Offline
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Thanks for all the detailed explanations, Bruno. Judging from your signiture, you don't have a sub, right? Are these towers annoying your neighbours? Since this will be my concern if I live at an apartment.
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#341456 - 03/09/11 06:44 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: julian_y]
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I have 2 M80 TIs in my living room with no sub and a pair of M3s in my office along with an ep175.

The living room is pretty big as the kitchen and dining room are connected to it with no walls in the way. I sit about 12' from the M80s and am currently running them off an Onkyo 5007 in a sterio config until I can aford the rest of the wish list for the HT.

The office is small at about 9'x12'. The M3s are close to my desk about 3' back 3' over and 3' up on the walls pointed down twards my desk. They are running off a HK 3490 along with the ep175.

How do they compare. Well thats not the easist thing to answer. I am really happy with both setups. Both have great tight deep bass for music and sound really good. At first I thought I liked the m3s more but the M80s have really grown on me. I think the biggest thing I like about the office setup is the slightly elevated position of them. Feels like im in the front row and they are right up on a stage on my wall laugh TBH I can't really pick the setup I like best and trust me I spend lots of time to trying to figure it out... I can tell you that before the Onkyo reciever came I tried the M80s on the HK and they did not sound very good. Once I hooked them up to something that could handle them properly they really came alive.

If you want to watch movies with it I think you might be better off getting the m22s and a ep350. For most music you dont need a sub with the m80s but if you want the rumble while watching a flic you need to go lower. Also keep in mind it is easer (cheaper) to get a reciever that can run m22s along with a powered sub then it is to get one that can drive m80s properly. If music is your primary concern and you dont mind them being more difficult to drive the m80s might be the better option and then later your all ready have the big boys to build a HT around.



Edited by rneill (03/09/11 06:45 PM)

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#341462 - 03/09/11 08:00 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: rneill]
julian_y Offline
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Thanks for such a detailed answer, rneill!

I am currently interested in Onkyo TXNR808 so the the reveiver shouldn't be a big problem for me. However, the price in Newegg US is only 699.99 but here at Toronto, it is 1299.99 plus tax (newegg doesn't ship to Canada). Sigh.

I am more inclined to watch concert and docummentary on blu-rays and am not a bass head for action movies. In addition, I am afraid that my neighbours will knock my door if my sub is too strong.

Ahhh, I initially planned to purchase KEF 3005 but ever since I started looking into here, my budget increased so much. For 7.1 setup, Epic Midi - 125 is $1,757.50 but Epic Grand Master - 500 will cost $3,100.80 and Epic 80 - 800 will cost $5,316.20. Will I get goose bumps if I pay so much more:)
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#341463 - 03/09/11 08:21 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: julian_y]
rneill Offline
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I dont know if they will ship to Canada but check out accessories4less(if you dont mind referb). I got a great deal on my 5007 referb and had no problems with them at all.

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#341465 - 03/09/11 09:20 PM Re: bookshelf vs floorstanding [Re: julian_y]
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Originally Posted By: julian_y
Thanks for all the detailed explanations, Bruno. Judging from your signiture, you don't have a sub, right? Are these towers annoying your neighbours? Since this will be my concern if I live at an apartment.


Well, actually, I just purchased a sub a couple of weeks ago, just forgot to update my signature. However, I've had the M80s for over a year without a sub and honestly, there is nothing missing for music (at least not what I listen to). For movies, yes, I was missing the deep rumbling also if you turn the M80s loud enough, they're still able to shake my hardwood floor, just not like the sub, they have some very good bass on their own. As for the neighbors, I live in a semi, I never asked but I am sure if I crank them, they'll hear the bass, I just keep it low at night.
I see that you're in Toronto, I'm in Stouffville (NE of Markham). This weekend, I happen to be by myself which doesn't happen very often (wife and kids going to the in-laws for the weekend). Also my room is far from being perfect, you're welcome to come and listen to my setup if you want, just to give you an idea. Just send me a PM.
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